Yes circular logic. OEMs must meet standards, the outcome is bad, but it’s good. Why? because they met the standards. Round and round we go.
Brighter Headlight Bulbs ?
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Yes circular logic. OEMs must meet standards, the outcome is bad, but it’s good. Why? because they met the standards. Round and round we go.
All because some dummy 15 years ago ran HIDs or crappy LEDs in a reflector housing scarred everyone for life
Again, it only appears circular if you misquote me. Perhaps you need better headlights. Again, circle vs divergent lines.
It's only bad when the newfangled "brighter" lights (more energy below cutoff) are shining in the eyes of oncoming traffic. Which happens when they are aimed too high, cresting hills, or bumpy roads. One of those is controllable, the others are nothing new and a fact of life. But then people get blinded at the top of hills, blame the new technology, and go off to amazon to "remedy" their minivan.
It's also bad when an optic, designed for a certain amount of uplight spill is given a new, stronger light source, as this now amplifies spill.
The fallacy behind your circular assertion is blinding.
Justify it anyway you want, it still doesn’t change the fact that a lot of the OEM implementation are bad and not just when cresting hills or hitting bumps. The light scatter is quite evident when one is following you or you pass one by on a flat road. I oftentimes see the beam as they are almost beside me.
But hey, they passed tests, met standards and I’m sure a lot of money was spent on such crappy designs, so we’re all good.
If we really boil it down, your argument is that one crappy design justifies another.
I never claimed it didn’t.
“If you can’t beat them, join them”. So I did.
Same.
This. This is the issue in my car, the modern lights w/higher ride heights of CUV/SUV/trucks can be brutal and it's not just hills/bumps - it's all the time. Thank God for my self-dimming rearview mirror in the Sportagen and Passat. Don't need it in the Atlas, I get to blind folks like myself in lower-to-the-ground cars but don't get the bad end b/c I sit up nice and high off the ground. I think folks think everyone blinding them has aftermarket lights...I hate to break it to them...it's factory stuff most of the time.
Yes, trucks and SUVs can be brutal. My minivan has a dimming rear view mirror, but the side mirrors aren’t. Sometimes I get blasted from the side view mirrors quite badly and I sit up fairly high up in that thing.
The worst is when I jump into my Toyota CHR. That’s when I truly notice how bad most of the OEM headlamp are.
And yes, most of them are OEM, not hillbilly installed Amazon $20 specials.
When I get the ones glaring in my side mirrors, I will try to aim them to put it back in the driver's face
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It's like arguing with flat earthers. Straight up playing pigeon chess.
IMO the DOT regulations are also inferior to European standards.
My history goes back to my dad when Halogen headlights came out but were not available in most states. He found some through contacts and installed anyway. High beam and low beam in 4 headlight systems. Still crappy beam patterns but much better. Shortly after that he upgraded to glass Hella H4 and H1 replaceable bulb versions not sealed beam lights with much better beam control and coverage. Still hard to get in USA at the time but no issue in Europe. He also did Hella fog lights and driving lights that worked much better than the Blazer and other versions here in USA.
My '93 Corolla had 9005 and 9006 crappy pattern lights and poor lighting. European Corolla's got glass H4 lights in same vehicle so mine did also. That trend has continued. I won't even discuss the atrocity of the 9004 bulbs, headlights in wife's '94 Explorer.
My HID converted projector Sonata very rarely got flashed, same on my Sequoia. My HID converted projector Accord, same very rarely flashed. My factory projector LED equipped Pilot, constantly getting flashed and that is AFTER I aimed both headlights down multiple turns to meet the old school Hella aiming instructions.
Yup my eyes are getting older and I have glasses and have for a long time. My family prefers the yellower lights from HID in my Accord and my son's Forte. If I could find cheap enough my wife's Pilot would get projector lights from an '18 Pilot and get HID's in them and again, aimed correctly per above.
Maybe that doesn't qualify for johnmyster but I'm sure he never exceeds the speed limit, changes lanes with no signal, or leaves a light on in the house when going out at night. I can't say the same (but do try to use my signals every time).
Lots of discussions but if the lights are not aimed correctly from factory, 99.999% of people will never know or correct them. A couple people said VA is different and actually checks for that and bulb type, I can't say that for NY based on what I see on the road. Now if shops are trying to get some income and can get recommended approved, good for them. My Accord had 1 of the 2 license plate lights out. My shop knows me and said replace it when you get home then finished my inspection. Are aftermarket LED's OK for other lighting purpose? What about interior?
Sort of on topic. What about home? Try to find incandescent and halogen bulbs, Gov't standards and regulations have changed and even CFL's seem to be harder and harder to get at Lowe's and Home Depot.
My history goes back to my dad when Halogen headlights came out but were not available in most states. He found some through contacts and installed anyway. High beam and low beam in 4 headlight systems. Still crappy beam patterns but much better. Shortly after that he upgraded to glass Hella H4 and H1 replaceable bulb versions not sealed beam lights with much better beam control and coverage. Still hard to get in USA at the time but no issue in Europe. He also did Hella fog lights and driving lights that worked much better than the Blazer and other versions here in USA.
My '93 Corolla had 9005 and 9006 crappy pattern lights and poor lighting. European Corolla's got glass H4 lights in same vehicle so mine did also. That trend has continued. I won't even discuss the atrocity of the 9004 bulbs, headlights in wife's '94 Explorer.
My HID converted projector Sonata very rarely got flashed, same on my Sequoia. My HID converted projector Accord, same very rarely flashed. My factory projector LED equipped Pilot, constantly getting flashed and that is AFTER I aimed both headlights down multiple turns to meet the old school Hella aiming instructions.
Yup my eyes are getting older and I have glasses and have for a long time. My family prefers the yellower lights from HID in my Accord and my son's Forte. If I could find cheap enough my wife's Pilot would get projector lights from an '18 Pilot and get HID's in them and again, aimed correctly per above.
Maybe that doesn't qualify for johnmyster but I'm sure he never exceeds the speed limit, changes lanes with no signal, or leaves a light on in the house when going out at night. I can't say the same (but do try to use my signals every time).
Lots of discussions but if the lights are not aimed correctly from factory, 99.999% of people will never know or correct them. A couple people said VA is different and actually checks for that and bulb type, I can't say that for NY based on what I see on the road. Now if shops are trying to get some income and can get recommended approved, good for them. My Accord had 1 of the 2 license plate lights out. My shop knows me and said replace it when you get home then finished my inspection. Are aftermarket LED's OK for other lighting purpose? What about interior?
Sort of on topic. What about home? Try to find incandescent and halogen bulbs, Gov't standards and regulations have changed and even CFL's seem to be harder and harder to get at Lowe's and Home Depot.
The feeling is mutual. At least the folks here arguing the aftermarket side have actually used the product they are aruging about vs. folks that are just regurgitating what they read online.It's like arguing with flat earthers. Straight up playing pigeon chess.
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Personally, I'd rather trust the people who dedicated their entire lives to a profession of the topic at hand (lighting engineers) who work with OEMs literally building these headlights than random people on a forum with Chinesium Jeff Bezo bulbs
I just trust my own eyes actually trying/testing things out which apparently is highly controversial.Personally, I'd rather trust the people who dedicated their entire lives to a profession of the topic at hand (lighting engineers) who work with OEMs literally building these headlights than random people on a forum with Chinesium Jeff Bezo bulbs
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Lol it doesn't work like that. Anyways, God bless.
People don’t realize their eyes can’t be trusted.
Very true, that's why we have an epidemic of men claiming to be women. I just can't trust my eyes and need to rely on experts to tell me what I'm seeing.
I guess the blinding lights i see daily are also part of that deception. Can't trust your own senses these days.
lol like you know who designed and produced your headlamps personally.Personally, I'd rather trust the people who dedicated their entire lives to a profession of the topic at hand (lighting engineers) who work with OEMs literally building these headlights than random people on a forum with Chinesium Jeff Bezo bulbs
If all else fails, make a claim to authority. That always works.
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Yup. I guess it's a difficult thing to express and explain and for someone to grasp since our eyes are literally the windows to the world. I can see why people jerryrig LEDs and HIDs into halogen headlights since the floodlight in front of the car gives the impression of much better lighting lol
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