Brake Fluid Change Time ATE SL6???
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Originally Posted By: 2010Civic
Unless the car is driven very aggressively, like on the track, I would think any dot 3 or 4 would be fine.
Originally Posted By: 2010Civic
Unless the car is driven very aggressively, like on the track, I would think any dot 3 or 4 would be fine.
The benefit of SL.6 is more on cold weather ABS application, so if that is the priority SL6 is much better than standard DOT3 or DOT 4. For track use, SUPER DOT 4 like ATF TYPE 200 may be better than standard DO3 or DOT 4.
For normal application, as mentioned by others any DOT 3 or DOT 4 should be fine.
For normal application, as mentioned by others any DOT 3 or DOT 4 should be fine.
How are you driving the car? What conditions does it see?
There is nothing wrong with Valvoline's brake fluid, especially if it has been giving you good results before. Does your car require an LV brake fluid/does GM spec LV?
But if you want to try LV brake fluid, the major parts stores now carry Pentosin LV (get it at AAP or CQ with a promo code) at a price (and availability) that's better than ATE
There is nothing wrong with Valvoline's brake fluid, especially if it has been giving you good results before. Does your car require an LV brake fluid/does GM spec LV?
But if you want to try LV brake fluid, the major parts stores now carry Pentosin LV (get it at AAP or CQ with a promo code) at a price (and availability) that's better than ATE
Just my observation with Dot 5.1 Motul brake fluid versus Valvoline Synthetic brake fluid. The Valvoline brake fluid turned dark relatively fast (within the first year). The Motul Dot 5.1 which I now use is still gold color after a year and a half. My 03 Honda CRV stops the same but the fluid doesn't turn dark so fast. I don't know if my observation has any meaning or relevance.
Car is just street driven. Zero track driving.
Was thinking ABS and Stability Control would work better/faster with a low viscosity fluid.
The Stability control saved my butt once when the back end came around after driving through a wet patch of asphalt. Without the combination of ESP and some driving skill I would have crashed into a curb at about 35 mph. So anything that makes the ABS and Stability control work better/faster I am thinking it might be worth it.
Was thinking ABS and Stability Control would work better/faster with a low viscosity fluid.
The Stability control saved my butt once when the back end came around after driving through a wet patch of asphalt. Without the combination of ESP and some driving skill I would have crashed into a curb at about 35 mph. So anything that makes the ABS and Stability control work better/faster I am thinking it might be worth it.
My wife's Audi and my VW GTI spec a DOT 4 LV brake fluid. I'd give the LV version of the fluid a shot.
Originally Posted By: kr_bitog
The benefit of SL.6 is more on cold weather ABS application, so if that is the priority SL6 is much better than standard DOT3 or DOT 4. For track use, SUPER DOT 4 like ATF TYPE 200 may be better than standard DO3 or DOT 4.
For normal application, as mentioned by others any DOT 3 or DOT 4 should be fine.
The benefit is not for cold weather. SL.6 is a low viscosity DOT4 for ABS pumps with finer holes for the ESP system, so it reacts faster. Using a non-LV DOT 4 fluid in a ABS pump that requires LV, means a slower reaction time, which can be more fun to drive.
The benefit of SL.6 is more on cold weather ABS application, so if that is the priority SL6 is much better than standard DOT3 or DOT 4. For track use, SUPER DOT 4 like ATF TYPE 200 may be better than standard DO3 or DOT 4.
For normal application, as mentioned by others any DOT 3 or DOT 4 should be fine.
The benefit is not for cold weather. SL.6 is a low viscosity DOT4 for ABS pumps with finer holes for the ESP system, so it reacts faster. Using a non-LV DOT 4 fluid in a ABS pump that requires LV, means a slower reaction time, which can be more fun to drive.
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: kr_bitog
The benefit of SL.6 is more on cold weather ABS application, so if that is the priority SL6 is much better than standard DOT3 or DOT 4. For track use, SUPER DOT 4 like ATF TYPE 200 may be better than standard DO3 or DOT 4.
For normal application, as mentioned by others any DOT 3 or DOT 4 should be fine.
The benefit is not for cold weather. SL.6 is a low viscosity DOT4 for ABS pumps with finer holes for the ESP system, so it reacts faster. Using a non-LV DOT 4 fluid in a ABS pump that requires LV, means a slower reaction time, which can be more fun to drive.
Yup. SL.6 is required fill on BMW. But, they also specifically say it is beneficial in low temperature environments.
http://www.ate.de/media/2320/technical_datasheet_dot_4_sl6.pdf
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This product data sheet describes the properties of the
ATE DOT 4 brake fluid SL.6 intended for use as hydraulic
fluids in brake and clutch systems of motor vehicles.
This brake fluid for hydraulic motor vehicle brake and
clutch systems is, due to its low viscosity at extremely
low temperatures, particularly well suited to brake
systems with electronically controlled hydraulic
components which require rapid modulation of the
brake pressure at the braked wheel, particularly in
systems, called “Elektronische Stabilitätsprogramm”
(ESP*) which used to prevent vehicle oversteer and
understeer.
The fluid composition is used by renowned car manufacturers
on a mass production scale.
The viscosity at –40° C is max. 700 mm²/s which is
approximately half that of many other commercially
available DOT 4 fluids and thus meets the requirements
of ISO specification 4925 for brake fluids with low
viscosity at low temperatures (class 6).
Originally Posted By: kr_bitog
The benefit of SL.6 is more on cold weather ABS application, so if that is the priority SL6 is much better than standard DOT3 or DOT 4. For track use, SUPER DOT 4 like ATF TYPE 200 may be better than standard DO3 or DOT 4.
For normal application, as mentioned by others any DOT 3 or DOT 4 should be fine.
The benefit is not for cold weather. SL.6 is a low viscosity DOT4 for ABS pumps with finer holes for the ESP system, so it reacts faster. Using a non-LV DOT 4 fluid in a ABS pump that requires LV, means a slower reaction time, which can be more fun to drive.
Yup. SL.6 is required fill on BMW. But, they also specifically say it is beneficial in low temperature environments.
http://www.ate.de/media/2320/technical_datasheet_dot_4_sl6.pdf
Quote:
This product data sheet describes the properties of the
ATE DOT 4 brake fluid SL.6 intended for use as hydraulic
fluids in brake and clutch systems of motor vehicles.
This brake fluid for hydraulic motor vehicle brake and
clutch systems is, due to its low viscosity at extremely
low temperatures, particularly well suited to brake
systems with electronically controlled hydraulic
components which require rapid modulation of the
brake pressure at the braked wheel, particularly in
systems, called “Elektronische Stabilitätsprogramm”
(ESP*) which used to prevent vehicle oversteer and
understeer.
The fluid composition is used by renowned car manufacturers
on a mass production scale.
The viscosity at –40° C is max. 700 mm²/s which is
approximately half that of many other commercially
available DOT 4 fluids and thus meets the requirements
of ISO specification 4925 for brake fluids with low
viscosity at low temperatures (class 6).
I'm using ATE SL6 in a car that doesn't spec DOT4LV fluid. I'm noticing the brakes and ABS/VSC actuation feel the same - some people are reporting "transparent" ABS actuation with LV fluid - meaning instead of the judder or shake that can be felt when the ABS system is triggered, it's more of a "tap-tap-tap" that's felt. Don't know if it's good or bad.
However, I do notice some fluids do turn darker than others - even DOT4s. Castrol GT LMA seems to be stable, Pentosin tends to turn dark.
However, I do notice some fluids do turn darker than others - even DOT4s. Castrol GT LMA seems to be stable, Pentosin tends to turn dark.
Originally Posted By: nthach
However, I do notice some fluids do turn darker than others - even DOT4s. Castrol GT LMA seems to be stable, Pentosin tends to turn dark.
It is turning dark due to the water absorbtion. LMA stands for "low moisture absorbtion", so does not get dark as fast.
However, I do notice some fluids do turn darker than others - even DOT4s. Castrol GT LMA seems to be stable, Pentosin tends to turn dark.
It is turning dark due to the water absorbtion. LMA stands for "low moisture absorbtion", so does not get dark as fast.
Used Valvoline for two year service for a long time. If it says DOT 3 or 4 on the bottle, that's what it is. It meets the DOT specs.
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