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Originally Posted By: tig1
My sister brought her 2002 Buick over for an OC today and she brought the Bosch Plus filter. I did check it out and it does have the dreaded louvers. Does this make the Bosch unusable?
Completely unusable!
BD+ one of the Nissan filter applications in linked thread, also including the OEM and an M1, all using a louvered center tube. All unusable. But not bad company.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4086930/1
My sister brought her 2002 Buick over for an OC today and she brought the Bosch Plus filter. I did check it out and it does have the dreaded louvers. Does this make the Bosch unusable?
Completely unusable!
BD+ one of the Nissan filter applications in linked thread, also including the OEM and an M1, all using a louvered center tube. All unusable. But not bad company.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4086930/1
Originally Posted By: tig1
My sister brought her 2002 Buick over for an OC today and she brought the Bosch Plus filter. I did check it out and it does have the dreaded louvers. Does this make the Bosch unusable?
Dreaded louvers? That's funny. As long as they're mostly open use it.
My sister brought her 2002 Buick over for an OC today and she brought the Bosch Plus filter. I did check it out and it does have the dreaded louvers. Does this make the Bosch unusable?
Dreaded louvers? That's funny. As long as they're mostly open use it.
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous. Does anyone realize how many industrial filters are made this way? If it were wix, this would be gravy but unfortunately it is purolators quality issues that is scary not the Louvers.
The fear is that they might not be opened up enough, and we've seen some examples from Purolator posted here where they weren't even punched through but just 'bumps' on the center tube.
So, the louvered center tube design leads can lead to possible manufacturing problems, and they need to be inspected before buying the filter to ensure they are opened up well - regardless of the brand of fitler.
This louver fear on here is ridiculous. Does anyone realize how many industrial filters are made this way? If it were wix, this would be gravy but unfortunately it is purolators quality issues that is scary not the Louvers.
The fear is that they might not be opened up enough, and we've seen some examples from Purolator posted here where they weren't even punched through but just 'bumps' on the center tube.
So, the louvered center tube design leads can lead to possible manufacturing problems, and they need to be inspected before buying the filter to ensure they are opened up well - regardless of the brand of fitler.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous. Does anyone realize how many industrial filters are made this way? If it were wix, this would be gravy but unfortunately it is purolators quality issues that is scary not the Louvers.
The fear is that they might not be opened up enough, and we've seen some examples from Purolator posted here where they weren't even punched through but just 'bumps' on the center tube.
So, the louvered center tube design leads can lead to possible manufacturing problems, and they need to be inspected before buying the filter to ensure they are opened up well - regardless of the brand of fitler.
Like I said, purolators poor quality is what's causing the fear. If purolators wouldn't be having quality issues ( tears, closed Louvers) like they have the past 2 years, everyone would be drinking the louver koolaid. When done properly Louvers are an efficient design that creates less waste in the manufacturing process.
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous. Does anyone realize how many industrial filters are made this way? If it were wix, this would be gravy but unfortunately it is purolators quality issues that is scary not the Louvers.
The fear is that they might not be opened up enough, and we've seen some examples from Purolator posted here where they weren't even punched through but just 'bumps' on the center tube.
So, the louvered center tube design leads can lead to possible manufacturing problems, and they need to be inspected before buying the filter to ensure they are opened up well - regardless of the brand of fitler.
Like I said, purolators poor quality is what's causing the fear. If purolators wouldn't be having quality issues ( tears, closed Louvers) like they have the past 2 years, everyone would be drinking the louver koolaid. When done properly Louvers are an efficient design that creates less waste in the manufacturing process.
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous.....
It's primarily one irrational poster using flawed analysis of the louvered design in general and posting it as fact. Most realize it for what it is and it's become somewhat of joke now. Ridiculous is one word to describe it.
This louver fear on here is ridiculous.....
It's primarily one irrational poster using flawed analysis of the louvered design in general and posting it as fact. Most realize it for what it is and it's become somewhat of joke now. Ridiculous is one word to describe it.
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous. Does anyone realize how many industrial filters are made this way? If it were wix, this would be gravy but unfortunately it is purolators quality issues that is scary not the Louvers.
The fear is that they might not be opened up enough, and we've seen some examples from Purolator posted here where they weren't even punched through but just 'bumps' on the center tube.
So, the louvered center tube design leads can lead to possible manufacturing problems, and they need to be inspected before buying the filter to ensure they are opened up well - regardless of the brand of fitler.
Like I said, purolators poor quality is what's causing the fear. If purolators wouldn't be having quality issues ( tears, closed Louvers) like they have the past 2 years, everyone would be drinking the louver koolaid. When done properly Louvers are an efficient design that creates less waste in the manufacturing process.
Yes, obviously there can be a manufacturing quality issue as seen posted here in the past. So it's best to inspect them before buying. IMO, there nothing wrong with doing that knowing there could be manufacturing QA issues involved with louver forming during manufacturing.
Most here know that there is nothing wrong with the louver concept and design, IF they are made correctly.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous. Does anyone realize how many industrial filters are made this way? If it were wix, this would be gravy but unfortunately it is purolators quality issues that is scary not the Louvers.
The fear is that they might not be opened up enough, and we've seen some examples from Purolator posted here where they weren't even punched through but just 'bumps' on the center tube.
So, the louvered center tube design leads can lead to possible manufacturing problems, and they need to be inspected before buying the filter to ensure they are opened up well - regardless of the brand of fitler.
Like I said, purolators poor quality is what's causing the fear. If purolators wouldn't be having quality issues ( tears, closed Louvers) like they have the past 2 years, everyone would be drinking the louver koolaid. When done properly Louvers are an efficient design that creates less waste in the manufacturing process.
Yes, obviously there can be a manufacturing quality issue as seen posted here in the past. So it's best to inspect them before buying. IMO, there nothing wrong with doing that knowing there could be manufacturing QA issues involved with louver forming during manufacturing.
Most here know that there is nothing wrong with the louver concept and design, IF they are made correctly.
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous.....
It's primarily one irrational poster using flawed analysis of the louvered design in general and posting it as fact. Most realize it for what it is and it's become somewhat of joke now. Ridiculous is one word to describe it.
And that poster turned out to be right once thanks to Purolators complete lack of manufacturing quality control. But a broken clock is right once a day.
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous.....
It's primarily one irrational poster using flawed analysis of the louvered design in general and posting it as fact. Most realize it for what it is and it's become somewhat of joke now. Ridiculous is one word to describe it.
And that poster turned out to be right once thanks to Purolators complete lack of manufacturing quality control. But a broken clock is right once a day.
Originally Posted By: funflyer
Originally Posted By: tig1
My sister brought her 2002 Buick over for an OC today and she brought the Bosch Plus filter. I did check it out and it does have the dreaded louvers. Does this make the Bosch unusable?
Dreaded louvers? That's funny. As long as they're mostly open use it.
That is funny. No need to fear the louvers. Just check out the center tube before you use the filter to see if the louvers are okay ... to see if they are opened up like they should be.
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Originally Posted By: tig1
My sister brought her 2002 Buick over for an OC today and she brought the Bosch Plus filter. I did check it out and it does have the dreaded louvers. Does this make the Bosch unusable?
Dreaded louvers? That's funny. As long as they're mostly open use it.
That is funny. No need to fear the louvers. Just check out the center tube before you use the filter to see if the louvers are okay ... to see if they are opened up like they should be.
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2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS, 1.8L
Chevron Supreme Conventional 5w30
FRAM Tough Guard Oil Filter #TG9688
Hastings Engine Air Filter #AF1511
2011 Ford Focus SE, 2.0L
Castrol GTX Conventional 5w30
FRAM Tough Guard Oil Filter #TG3614
Motorcraft Engine Air Filter #FA-1890
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous.....
It's primarily one irrational poster using flawed analysis of the louvered design in general and posting it as fact. Most realize it for what it is and it's become somewhat of joke now. Ridiculous is one word to describe it.
And that poster turned out to be right once thanks to Purolators complete lack of manufacturing quality control. But a broken clock is right once a day.
Actually, that broken clock is right TWICE a day.
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous.....
It's primarily one irrational poster using flawed analysis of the louvered design in general and posting it as fact. Most realize it for what it is and it's become somewhat of joke now. Ridiculous is one word to describe it.
And that poster turned out to be right once thanks to Purolators complete lack of manufacturing quality control. But a broken clock is right once a day.
Actually, that broken clock is right TWICE a day.
Originally Posted By: ammolab
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous.....
It's primarily one irrational poster using flawed analysis of the louvered design in general and posting it as fact. Most realize it for what it is and it's become somewhat of joke now. Ridiculous is one word to describe it.
And that poster turned out to be right once thanks to Purolators complete lack of manufacturing quality control. But a broken clock is right once a day.
Actually, that broken clock is right TWICE a day.
Depends on the clock.
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Originally Posted By: volk06
This louver fear on here is ridiculous.....
It's primarily one irrational poster using flawed analysis of the louvered design in general and posting it as fact. Most realize it for what it is and it's become somewhat of joke now. Ridiculous is one word to describe it.
And that poster turned out to be right once thanks to Purolators complete lack of manufacturing quality control. But a broken clock is right once a day.
Actually, that broken clock is right TWICE a day.
Depends on the clock.
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No need to fear the louvers. Just check out the center tube before you use the filter to see if the louvers are okay ... opened up like they should be.
A common sense answer, inspecting as one would/should any filter.
The difference being compared is between completely condemning a design, in this case louvers, based on faulty ie,. unproven analysis and observing for proper execution of that design. The former isn't by definition right ever. The latter is covered by QC and common sense inspection of any filter to cover that contingency.
As for the OT clocks, the 'greatest majority' of broken analog clocks are right twice day. But as noted, that doesn't apply to the faulty analysis of a complete design as stated by one.
No need to fear the louvers. Just check out the center tube before you use the filter to see if the louvers are okay ... opened up like they should be.
A common sense answer, inspecting as one would/should any filter.
The difference being compared is between completely condemning a design, in this case louvers, based on faulty ie,. unproven analysis and observing for proper execution of that design. The former isn't by definition right ever. The latter is covered by QC and common sense inspection of any filter to cover that contingency.
As for the OT clocks, the 'greatest majority' of broken analog clocks are right twice day. But as noted, that doesn't apply to the faulty analysis of a complete design as stated by one.
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