BMW V8 Oil?

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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: nleksan
5w30 is what I used, I do believe.


So you used an incorrect oil for the engine. Great. Maybe use the right oil before making "determinations"?


I don't recall exactly the grade bc the oil change was done at a local indie shop, and he used what he said was the MobileOne equivalent of BMW branded oil. As BMW oil was 5w30 for the E46 application, I assume he used the same weight.
 
Originally Posted By: JAG
Thanks for the suggestions nleksan!
JHZR2, he said Mobil 1 did not work so well for him in his BMWs. There is nothin wrong with saying that. If more clarification is needed, all you have to do is ask him like I did. No need to be rude.


Nothing rude. You select the wrong oil, wrong spec, etc., and what do you expect will happen? It is what it is.

An ACEA A1 oil with low HT/HS will not work well in a BMW engine. Its not that RP or whatever else is so great compared to M1 per se, it is a matter of M1 being the WRONG oil in that viscosity.
 
It does seem to maybe run a little smoother and quieter both cold and warm now after a couple days with 15w50 vs 10w40, but I also replaced a bad lifter at the same time, so it would have probably run better regardless, haha. I had an M50 and this M60 car and neither ever had a problem with Mobil 1 or any of the other oils I've tried. I doubt some $8 per quart oil is going to make a difference for me. What problems did you have with it, nleksan?
 
I am not saying M1 is a bad oil, nor am I saying that GC or BMW Synthetic are bad oils, rather that in my applications and under the use the cars.are subjected to, they proved inferior to other oils that were not much more expensive and, particularly with my 328Ci (sees a lot of track time), proved to better suit my needs. Granted, I will admit that I am rather obsessive over my cars and have performed far more preventative maintenance than repairs, but after seeing the sludge and varnish that built up so quickly while under the previous owner's care using GC/BMWsyn/M1, I have held a negative bias towards those oils.
After seeing how incredibly clean the inside of my engine is while doing the supercharger install on the 328 (including more aggressive cams, forged Carillo connecting rods, titanium valves/springs/etc in larger than stock diameters, an Extrudehoned intake manifold with Swaintech coating, etc...), and having a very good look at everything with it all taken apart with engine on a stand, both the mechanic and I were incredibly impressed. The biggest difference was that I had been running short OCIs using only Royal Purple andRedline oils (KN, Mann, and Mahle filters).
On my 325, which I got with more miles and have put more miles on, the dealer-serviced car with full records, I have had a constant problem with the Check Oil indicator coming on, despite the oil level never being low. Turns out that the dealer oil gunked up the sensor so bad that my indie mechanic thought an entire new drain pan and sensor unit was required. More RP and RL, the engine has slowly cleaned itself off and now the sensor is completely uncovered and functioning properly.

I realize that these are anecdotes, and that my experience may not be your experience, but I do still have a lot of confidence in these two oils. M1 may be the best option for you, and if it is, use it with confidence. Good luck to you either way
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Originally Posted By: nleksan

Granted, I will admit that I am rather obsessive over my cars and have performed far more preventative maintenance than repairs, but after seeing the sludge and varnish that built up so quickly while under the previous owner's care using GC/BMWsyn/M1, I have held a negative bias towards those oils.


Again, I can see how using the incorrect M1 variant could cause this. But the BMW oil (at shorter OCIs) and certainly GC should resist sludging well. I think we have enough proof of that, to indicate to me that perhaps there is something else wrong with the engine causing this besides oil selection.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: nleksan

Granted, I will admit that I am rather obsessive over my cars and have performed far more preventative maintenance than repairs, but after seeing the sludge and varnish that built up so quickly while under the previous owner's care using GC/BMWsyn/M1, I have held a negative bias towards those oils.


Again, I can see how using the incorrect M1 variant could cause this. But the BMW oil (at shorter OCIs) and certainly GC should resist sludging well. I think we have enough proof of that, to indicate to me that perhaps there is something else wrong with the engine causing this besides oil selection.


Fair enough, I respect your opinion, I simply have had the opposite experience in my own vehicles. The prior owner did run longer OCI's than I do, though never the full 15k (he did about 8-11k OCI's).

I can assure you that the car is in optimal condition (I am referring to my 328Ci), as I have had it apart, upgraded a ton of stuff internally, and it is running the stock Compression Ratio with 12psi of boost from a twin-screw Lysholm unit (on street; up to 16psi on track). 10k miles after the install, my mechanic and I took it apart to inspect for wear, and everything was mirror-clean. I did the proper break-in procedure for new rods/valvetrain/cams/etc, using Red Line Break-In oil mixed with "regular" Red Line oil (I forget the ratio... was recommended to me by manufacturer of the parts). The thing puts down a ton of power, but does not consume so much as a single ounce of oil over 5k miles.
So, I highly doubt there is anything wrong with the car. Also, my 740i and 325i consume NO oil either, and both have had rather extensive "tune ups" done recently (last 4 months).

Just did the VCG's on the 325i, and the valvetrain looked beautiful, while the 740 is due for a new headgasket when I replace the entire cooling system this spring (radiator/water pump/all hoses/under-drive pulleys/everything else). When the time comes, I will take pictures to show how well it has worked. I just don't have "before" pictures for comparison
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Perhaps it's a fluke, perhaps something else caused it, who know? I don't BLAME the oils, necessarily, but now after using different oil, the problem not only stopped, it cleaned up, so I will continue doing what I'm doing... I have seen BMW's run exclusively on Red Line oil get to 300k miles and the engine is still in great shape (E36/E46 3-Series cars), so I trust it.
I apologize if it seemed like I was "bashing" any other oil, that was not my intent. I was simply trying to share my experience.
 
Originally Posted By: nleksan
I don't BLAME the oils, necessarily, but now after using different oil, the problem not only stopped, it cleaned up, so I will continue doing what I'm doing... I have seen BMW's run exclusively on Red Line oil get to 300k miles and the engine is still in great shape (E36/E46 3-Series cars), so I trust it.
I apologize if it seemed like I was "bashing" any other oil, that was not my intent. I was simply trying to share my experience.


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I would blame Mobil 1 5w30. Just my 2c. Wrong oil for that engine.

I get what youre saying.
 
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