Where do you extract ammonia?
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It has been always about carbon emissions. That's it.
From a life cycle perspective in aggregate (all power generation sources combined) a BEV is cleaner than ICE. People can play what-about xyz, but in the end it's irrelevant because the measuring stick is fleetwide.
https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/reso...rates on E10,lifetime than a comparable ICEV.
Apparently if we stopped before adding the nitrogen, we could just keep that hydrogen for our cars.
Or in big business fashion we could just extract if from synthesized ammonia and say it's all natural. My only point to the other guy was transporting and storing. I really didn't pay attention to his source. The equipment required to compress, transport, and store it at the pressures needed already is less energy efficient than gasoline.You know if we really dug deep into every process from it's absolute genesis to end, we'd probably find out our cars are about 3% efficient and we should just walk everywhere.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. How is your knowledge of basic chemical synthesis and thermodynamics?Apparently if we stopped before adding the nitrogen, we could just keep that hydrogen for our cars.
Good post but not needed to find more information. Im not one who cares about carbon emissions at all if it means a downgrade in my lifestyle. IN fact I could care less period. I posted what I did, (not directed at you at all) is so much "loose" talk about the benefits of EVs and none of the negative> Even consumer reports states some Hybrid cars are more economical then all electric to run long term even with rebates from taxpayers on the EVs.
Im not going to go backwards in my standard of living because of an agenda I could care less about. That is what my posts are about, smoke and mirrors instead of real solutions and except for a few in here void of facts. You are not one of those and a few others either.
I can tell you are knowledgeable based on what you wrote here as far as energy cost to build ect and actually enjoy reading your posts.
But it all comes down to, for me, standard of living and even some of your post is not addressing a very common fact.
We do not have the infrastructure to support battery operated cars even if people wanted them, which the majority does not and will not.
Maybe better said everyone might want one in a household but the other 2, 3, or 4 will be gasoline.
I keep coming back to this using CA as the example since they are the progressives.
600,000 EVs on the road in that state and in 2022 they had to ask people to refrain from charging them at certain times because they didn't have enough power. Ok, so what happens in a few years when there are 3,000,000 and their ultimate goal of replacing all 20,000,000 when they cant reliably recharge 1,000,000 ?
It's really laughable, a fantasy directed at a gullible public. They just begged the Federal government for an emergency response as they no longer want to shut down their ONE remaining nuclear power plant due to close this year. They asked for a 5 year extension and were turned down until they resubmit all the documentation presented years ago when they told the energy department that they did not want to extend.
That basically sums it up. Some people don't care. You could be right or wrong not to care. None of us will be around when the bill comes due if it materializes at all.
I dont care about carbon emissions. I care about lifestyle and convenience. That is my point vs a void of total reality goal of having EVs traveling all over the USA at a cost of less then the ICE or possibly future h2 or some other tech.
Why do we constantly ignore the fact, and it IS fact. That I state over and over and over. CA had trouble recharging only 600,000 vehicles in 2022 so how are they going to manage charging 3,000,000 soon, then, 9,000,000 then ultimately all 20,000,000 vehicles on the road? It's a fantasy and the public, always so gullible UNTIL reality strikes them.
Lithium based EVs will NEVER replace the ICE because of what I typed above. People live in a fantasy world, great, wonderful lithium EVs but the state that pushed the most doesnt have the reserve electric power to even recharge ONE TEENTH of the cars it currently has on its roads. (gosh, just undeniable fact that people hate to hear)
BTW - just discussing!!!!!
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Yes. I am not going to let some fantasy drawn up by some group, government or otherwise steal money from my family or have my standard of living go backwards so they can create their fantasy. Live Free
*LOL* Never in my life on BITOG did I expect an OP about a new BMW h2 vehicle turn into such a thread that I cant keep up!
Over and out! *LOL*
Ps, there must be some slim chance someplace on planet earth that someone, somewhere thinks they MIGHT have a solution to h2 or Toyota, BMW and some construction equipment would not waste their time experimenting with it.
I DO KNOW one thing. the mentioned companies KNOW lithium based EVs are not a long term solution and not a current solution for many American families and most wouldnt consider more than one current model lithium EV in a family so everyone doesnt have to fight about the extension cord. Even while they IGNORE that fact that their respective states already have overtaxed electric grid and way to low generation reserves with zero solutions because they waffled on new Nuclear plants.
Over and out! *LOL*
Ps, there must be some slim chance someplace on planet earth that someone, somewhere thinks they MIGHT have a solution to h2 or Toyota, BMW and some construction equipment would not waste their time experimenting with it.
I DO KNOW one thing. the mentioned companies KNOW lithium based EVs are not a long term solution and not a current solution for many American families and most wouldnt consider more than one current model lithium EV in a family so everyone doesnt have to fight about the extension cord. Even while they IGNORE that fact that their respective states already have overtaxed electric grid and way to low generation reserves with zero solutions because they waffled on new Nuclear plants.
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I'm not sure where this is trying to go but I don't know how hydrogen itself is sourced. I do know ammonia is a process of combining nitrogen and hydrogen. It's a common product that my job has me transporting so that's the only reason why I'm aware of it. I'm sure there's some other crazy process to get the hydrogen itself. Doing a bit of reading I see ammonia occurs naturally too, but from what I can see not in the amounts needed for as easy as they make the synthesized ammonia. I'm not a scientist, but I have plenty of training from the hazard side of things because by default I end up being a first responder before the real first responders arrive.
Okay well just remember to apply that same level of skepticism to ideas which you would normally support for some subjective reason.Yes. I am not going to let some fantasy drawn up by some group, government or otherwise steal money from my family or have my standard of living go backwards so they can create their fantasy. Live Free
I support free will and free choice then nothing has to be subjective for anyone else but me.
100% it's personal preference and experience. We can only answer it for ourselves. I'm a car guy above all else. I'm still and always will be wowed by the vintage stuff, obscure and unusual, supercars, hot hatches, GTs, muscle, luxury, and every variation in between. For me it's about the interaction over everything and I love how different both of my cars are in a way that someone that just knows it gets them from point A to point B without any other thought would likely never consider. I literally have fun every time I go somewhere, whether I wanted to go there in the first place.
What that ultimately means is I'm a person willing to make those concessions, up to a point obviously because it's got to get me to and from work to pay the bills, but I would do those things if it meant driving what I love. I spent many years driving muscle cars and old British cars as daily transportation, busting my knuckles to keep them running(mostly the brits
) on my days off. That's when I lived 10 miles from work and wasn't on call. A lot of that has shaped my choices, not to mention better pay to buy newer, more reliable but still fun options.I think the power grid issues which you see in a few select large cities is less of an electric consumption issue and more of a "we shouldn't live on top of each other" situation. I've never dealt with it directly but I've heard it plenty in the news and I want no part of that. I know many would say that's not realistic, but I lived in big cities for years after growing up in a small town and then living outside of town surrounded by corn fields and I found myself back to small town living. I don't like the claustrophobic feeling of having my neighbors crammed against me or not being able to avoid bumping into people in a store. There's plenty of studies on this too and it's probably a bit backwards thinking from an efficiency standpoint when the idea is that people should be able to walk everywhere, but almost all of our cities are so sprawling this isn't possible, especially if it wasn't on the east coast and built after everyone had automobiles.
I really don't get the aversion to nuclear at this point. I get as much renewable as we can get is awesome, but how about we offset that with nuclear instead of burning things that throw junk in the atmosphere? There's a power plant here that was supposed to be converting to full natural gas and something went wrong when the new equipment was installed. There's still getting 100+ car coal trains daily. I guess natural gas is a step in the right direction, but I look at how much money was lost with the botched job when it should have converted over already years ago?
Right but you still have to pay taxes. You still benefit from the theft of others (primarily future generations) for your cost of living. Are they less free than you because you're accustomed to your subsidized standard of living?I support free will and free choice then nothing has to be subjective for anyone else but me.
Good post, yeah, we all know I support Nuclear so dont take that I dont care about anything *LOL*
Its true though, I could care less about carbon emissions vs my way of life but with that said, I care enough to at least use the resources that we have for clean energy and that is Nuclear. Simple stuff but wow, the country and media and lack of desire to actually implement something like that turns into a hodgepodge of a mess supporting less efficient means to achieve what Nuclear can.
You do know I am having a conversation and not debating you I hope *LOL* Its so hard in a forum sometimes the way words are typed.
Anyway, to back up what I say, I bought a home 15 years ago (guessing) around maybe 12 straight line miles (not road miles) from a nuclear power plant. I was proud of my state to be building not one but TWO more on the same site and then it all fell apart.
Westinghouse/Toshiba was behind on delivering parts or something tried retro-fitting parts I THINK from GA plants under construction (I dont remember) but from some other place and wow, billions spent and the downward spiral started to the point now that SCGE no longer exists because they got caught up in lying over the delays and why. Westinghouse/Toshiba teetering on Bankruptcy at the time, maybe still.
Construction halted, maybe forever, at least for now, who knows, maybe one day if an electric storage median for cars becomes inexpensive and convenient they can start up construction again. But here in the land of the free gas is dirt cheap inflation adjusted over the last 50 years, the question would be why? For now anyway.
Even though Dominion is now the owner of what used to be South Carolina Electric and Gas and who knows what will be the future except I am moving to NC next month, new home, lifestyle. Still love the state of SC Land of the free, but will be right across the border now. I hate the fact that I am going to have to get my cars inspected on a yearly basis, motorcycle, boat trailer will also need tags/license plate. None of this stuff applied in SC>
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This is why. $34,000,000,000.
$34 BILLION for one nuclear plant. That’s a risk very few companies could even begin to consider.
https://apnews.com/article/business...rgia-atlanta-7555f8d73c46f0e5513c15d391409aa3
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We're shutting down the ones we have. People are afraid of the possibility of a Chernobyl incident. Obviously they're the most expensive to build.
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And yet, per unit of actual output, a wind farm costing roughly the same, doesn't receive the same criticism
Selective outrage is par for the course in this space and that in no way excuses the complete boondoggle Vogtle has been, but it does highlight the inherent bias toward the VRE industry.
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For hydrogen:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/toyota-strategy-on-evs-ice-h2.360450/page-2#post-6253312
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-not-more-hybrids.359592/page-12#post-6298014
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...d-hydrogen-is-not-going-to-be-a-thing.362442/
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For Amonia:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/ammonia-is-the-solution.355574/page-2#post-6145044
DIsclosure this is not directed at you other than conversation.
It's ok if you are only for fossil fuels but your post emphasizes why the public is so ill informed.
From your post the public and link the public would think that one nuclear reactor (power plant) cost 34 billion dollars.
It is actually 2 new nuclear reactors acting in a location referred to as a power plant of what will be 4 nuclear reactors when the units 3&4 are complete for yes, 34 billion for 3&4. Almost double the cost. So we have two existing plants running for the past few decades producing nice clean energy for you carbon emissions people and they are building two more.
Furthermore (no politics allowed here) fortunes of tax dollars are spent on less realistic projects rather than focus on getting our nuclear program up and running again on a NATIONWIDE SCALE. Here we are giving away tax rebates on EVs with no way to recharge them down the road.
Once again, like I think what happened here in SC once again, bureaucracy problems and financial problems with the construction companies who were to build and in this case building the plants. Not really the power companies themselves.
Hey, all I am saying, for those who want to cut down on carbon emissions then vote to get a nation wide plan into effect to start a national program at speeding up the process. This will also insure the actual companies who make the components and reactors can survive and actually increase efficiency instead of piece by piece construction. If you not for this then dont tell me you are for saving Mother Earth from all these bad emissions.
I stated over and over, I could care less burn natural gas then but I hate hypocrisy from those who say they are concerned because it really is a ruse. Diverting money and resources for silly windmills and solar projects when the most effective and earth friendly 24 hour power is nuclear. Once we have those projects and society wants to supplement, sure, no problem but right now we have a power problem here and people need to wake up if they want their new world to operate on one supplier and type of power - electricity.
It's pathetic in the USA all this talking of carbon emissions and the most important part is left out because no one thinks it's cool in those circles to promote nuclear energy.
https://www.energy.gov/lpo/vogtle (units 3 & 4 currently under construction)
https://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/reactors/vog1.html
https://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/reactors/vog2.html
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