BMW Pilot iX5 EV No Batteries, Recharges/H2 Fuels in less than 4 minutes

I know several 3 EV households all sharing a single 50 amp connector.

This can provide about 30 miles of range in an hour (model 3 - but lots of models are close to that) and can be divvied up however the household wishes.

The GM volt and subsequent studies show 80% of commutes are within 40 miles so if you can give 3 cars 100 miles each in ten hours you cover a very large percent of commuting.

From a round the clock perspective 30x24x356 single 50 amp plug can support 262K miles in a year, but very likely no one would wish to charge during peak time even if you pull 8 hours out of each day it can still support 175K miles.

I agree EV's arent going to replace a pickup truck or large SUV for towing purposes - but for moving people and some luggage around they are more than adequate for a very high% of consumers today and present a step forward in convenience removing all local fueling trips from a schedule.
We'll eventually pick up a second EV and dump the GTI. 30 miles of range an hour charging is perfect for my scenario even though I'm on call. They can't call me for another run after I'm done for 10 hours. That's plenty of time for a full charge even when I completely deplete it and that will happen on occasion when I'm called to my furthest outlying point. I would get back with around 40 miles of range with our current Tesla. I'm planning to buy a second Model 3, but this one will be a performance for the extra range because of how I will use it.
 
Yup, hydrogen as an aviation fuel is a heck of a lot more viable than batteries at least, due to the fact that it can be burned directly in a gas turbine and thus creates thrust. It's less energy dense though, so range will be less. Of course this is almost assuredly just methane-derived hydrogen being used here.
Here is a little info on plug power. Ive been kind of loosely watching the stock.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...-Production-Facility-in-Western-New-York.html
Being its upstate NY its close to your backyard way up there.

https://www.plugpower.com/hydrogen/

"Our vertically-integrated GenKey solution ties together all critical elements to power, fuel, and provide service to customers such as Amazon, BMW, The Southern Company, Carrefour, and WalMart."
https://www.plugpower.com/about-us/green-hydrogen-at-work/
 
Here is a little info on plug power. Ive been kind of loosely watching the stock.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...-Production-Facility-in-Western-New-York.html
Being its upstate NY its close to your backyard way up there.

https://www.plugpower.com/hydrogen/

"Our vertically-integrated GenKey solution ties together all critical elements to power, fuel, and provide service to customers such as Amazon, BMW, The Southern Company, Carrefour, and WalMart."
https://www.plugpower.com/about-us/green-hydrogen-at-work/
Yet from the first link, it shows that their existence is tied to subsidy:
Plug Power’s ability to develop its new green hydrogen fuel production facility in New York is the result of a comprehensive state and local incentive package from the New York Power Authority, Empire State Development and Genesee County.

U.S. Senator Charles Schumer said, “Today we usher in a winning combination of firsts: Plug Power is creating its first ever green hydrogen production facility and we have secured the first tenant at the WNY STAMP site. This facility will create over 60 new good-paying green-energy jobs, boost the Western New York economy, and serve as a jumping-off point to create the nation’s first U.S.-wide network of green hydrogen production facilities to produce carbon-free fuel cell power. After securing its new over 375 job gigafactory in Rochester last month, I applaud Plug Power, a proud Upstate NY-based business with deep roots and hundreds of NYS workers, for doubling down and selecting STAMP as the home of this new production facility. I will continue to advocate with the U.S. Department of Energy to secure federal support to help bring this development to full fruition.”

They are using electrolysis, which we've discussed already, and are also selling fuel cells. Sure, if the government keeps providing them with money, why wouldn't they? But that doesn't change the stack of losses associated with hydrogen production, compression, transport and utilization.
 
They are using electrolysis, which we've discussed already, and are also selling fuel cells. Sure, if the government keeps providing them with money, why wouldn't they? But that doesn't change the stack of losses associated with hydrogen production, compression, transport and utilization.
The part that always seems to be missing from these discussions.
 
Assuming no one cares about the wheel to well efficiency - how's it been going for the last two years since that press release is from 21?

How fast are the stations coming on line?

According to the Gov alternative fuels data base the closest hydrogen station to alarm guy is approx 1000 miles away.
Maybe this map is incorrect and there are more?
What hydrogen vehicles are available ?


https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=HY&location=south carolina

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Yet from the first link, it shows that their existence is tied to subsidy:


They are using electrolysis, which we've discussed already, and are also selling fuel cells. Sure, if the government keeps providing them with money, why wouldn't they? But that doesn't change the stack of losses associated with hydrogen production, compression, transport and utilization.
Seems like anything electric and so-called green agenda, is tied to a subsidy. 🙃
Is there even a windmill or solar farm that isn’t or at one time was?
Including solar panels, and regular EVs

I wasn’t really promoting anything just the fact that it is up north.

I was surprised to see them throw around some big names. As it does have uses in the industrial world, even Elon himself has mentioned that.
I believe there’s a forklift company that makes fuel cell forklifts.
 
I believe there’s a forklift company that makes fuel cell forklifts.
And more of the same, this is on the Toyota forklift's website:

HOW DOES A FUEL CELL FORKLIFT WORK?​

Proton exchange membrane (PEM) fuel cells are currently the most viable type used for powering industrial equipment such as forklifts. Similar to a battery, PEM fuel cells utilize a cathode, anode, and an electrolyte to transfer electrons along an electrical path to power the forklift. Unlike a lead-acid battery, however, this process occurs using only hydrogen and oxygen found naturally in the atmosphere.
 
Seems like anything electric and so-called green agenda, is tied to a subsidy. 🙃
Kinda like public roads Imagine that.

There's a whole laundry list of products we used today which were born out of NASA. The list goes on. Meanwhile, the South is at risk of widespread crop failures do to the February spring and upcoming freeze.
 
Kinda like public roads Imagine that.

There's a whole laundry list of products we used today which were born out of NASA. The list goes on. Meanwhile, the South is at risk of widespread crop failures do to the February spring and upcoming freeze.
Well, public roads are available to everyone, hence the word "public" owns them.
"Risk" is an everyday part of life. The mass media hi-jacked it and turned it into a profit making enterprise. But I dont understand the risk of crop failure statement in a EV thread. (sincere question)
 
Well, public roads are available to everyone, hence the word "public" owns them.
"Risk" is an everyday part of life. The mass media hi-jacked it and turned it into a profit making enterprise. But I dont understand the risk of crop failure statement in a EV thread. (sincere question)
My point is that public funding of road construction, particularly interstates, was a subsidy for the automotive sector.
 
My point is that public funding of road construction, particularly interstates, was a subsidy for the automotive sector.
My thinking is that is a bit "out there"
Interstate system and Air travel system and Rail system and Shipping system was an important part of our growth as a nation and a people.
It has now grown into giving $7,500 tax dollars to purchase an electric car, most of which are in the $45,000 to $60,000 price range to the people that can most afford it.
 
Sincere laugh. Was there, is there anything in the EV world that isnt tied to US Taxpayer money ?
So far 100 billion of taxpayer money given away on green energy.
Very much my point. Ontario wouldn't be subsidizing hydro bills for $6.4 billion/year right now if we hadn't subsidized wind and solar projects. And, while we wouldn't have the wind and solar capacity we have right now either, that capacity is of little benefit to ratepayers and absolutely not worth the cost paid.

Forced uptake by government decree, imposed on the public through market manipulation via subsidy, if it isn't polishing a turd, it's setting a facade for viability, showcasing "success" while brushing under the rug the incredible cost forced to be borne by the ratepayer to bring it to that point. The bobble heads, spoon fed this pablum, vacant grins stretched across their face, eat it up. They'll later complain about the cost of energy, and will balk at any attempts to link the two things.
 
Very much my point. Ontario wouldn't be subsidizing hydro bills for $6.4 billion/year right now if we hadn't subsidized wind and solar projects. And, while we wouldn't have the wind and solar capacity we have right now either, that capacity is of little benefit to ratepayers and absolutely not worth the cost paid.

Forced uptake by government decree, imposed on the public through market manipulation via subsidy, if it isn't polishing a turd, it's setting a facade for viability, showcasing "success" while brushing under the rug the incredible cost forced to be borne by the ratepayer to bring it to that point. The bobble heads, spoon fed this pablum, vacant grins stretched across their face, eat it up. They'll later complain about the cost of energy, and will balk at any attempts to link the two things.
Wow^^
I am impressed the way you worded this. Perfect
 
Wow^^
I am impressed the way you worded this. Perfect
There are people, even journalists, that refuse to link the incredible uptick in rates in Ontario to the GEA. It's mind boggling. You can even show them the chart, produced by the Ontario Energy Board, that shows the share of total cost and average price, and they still dismiss it or can't wrap their head around this simple concept. What was doubly insane is that they'll then turn around and blame it on a nuclear refurbishment project that hadn't even started yet.

Whether it's willful ignorance or just outright stupidity, the innumeracy of some people boggles the mind. The fact that some of them are counted on to report, objectively, the facts of the day, communicating them to the general population, seems to be lost on those that hired them, unless they are equally deficient or compromised? And then we have these same media outlets lamenting their own decline, seemingly oblivious to the link between the downward trend of the quality and integrity of their product and the contraction of their readership. When the general public starts no longer trusting them as a source, or dismissing them outright as a mouthpiece for a certain movement/ideology/group (which has steadily gotten worse over the last 20 or so years), this should be a time to stop and do some introspection. However, the default reaction appears to be to double-down on the partisanship and crackpot reporting, fanning the flames of the dumpster fire the industry has become.
 
There are people, even journalists, that refuse to link the incredible uptick in rates in Ontario to the GEA. It's mind boggling. You can even show them the chart, produced by the Ontario Energy Board, that shows the share of total cost and average price, and they still dismiss it or can't wrap their head around this simple concept. What was doubly insane is that they'll then turn around and blame it on a nuclear refurbishment project that hadn't even started yet.

Whether it's willful ignorance or just outright stupidity, the innumeracy of some people boggles the mind. The fact that some of them are counted on to report, objectively, the facts of the day, communicating them to the general population, seems to be lost on those that hired them, unless they are equally deficient or compromised? And then we have these same media outlets lamenting their own decline, seemingly oblivious to the link between the downward trend of the quality and integrity of their product and the contraction of their readership. When the general public starts no longer trusting them as a source, or dismissing them outright as a mouthpiece for a certain movement/ideology/group (which has steadily gotten worse over the last 20 or so years), this should be a time to stop and do some introspection. However, the default reaction appears to be to double-down on the partisanship and crackpot reporting, fanning the flames of the dumpster fire the industry has become.
OMG, I have to run but I saw another post of your just now. In regards to the media.
Human Beings are interesting creatures but I guess no different than the rest of the animal kingdom.

The masses unable to critically think, exam, question and seek facts. They fall for media sensationalism and outright manipulation by the media so the media can produce profits by constantly creating stories and most times know nothing about the subject.
Anyway, your post in another thread about Vogtle testing, heating, getting ready to produce steam.
I CONSTANTLY have to tell people that the "smoke" they see coming from those big bad scary towers is steam.
Gosh how many times in the media do they show those towers in global warming examples as if it is smoke stacks producing gasses.
They dont mention its a nuclear plant but they use those stacks as an example of carbon emissions and global warming.
THEN the public sees those stacks in wording of a nuclear plant and they think its bad when its just steam.

It drives me nuts *LOL* I educated my own family about those global warming stories with the steam of power plants of all kinds being implied that its carbon emissions, even in fossil fuel plants, rarely will you actually see "smoke" from the burners stacks, but wow, the steam photos are dramatic even though harmless.
 
My thinking is that is a bit "out there"
Interstate system and Air travel system and Rail system and Shipping system was an important part of our growth as a nation and a people.
It has now grown into giving $7,500 tax dollars to purchase an electric car, most of which are in the $45,000 to $60,000 price range to the people that can most afford it.
You're applying the same subjective preference "important for growth as a nation and a people" that promoters of BEV's apply toward justifying the tax credits. Road could have been private without the taking of property via eminent domain.
 
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