BG products

[Terry]

Mike, Spiritusantu = "Holy Spirit" ? I can relate to that handle .

Point taken about statistical significance and the issue I asked about.

Dyson Analysis sees a large cross section of data and many combinations of automotive fuel/oil/engines and understand exactly what you are saying. My data is also proprietary. I do share as much as I can afford though when able.

Your point that "periodic" use of BG44K is the key and the real issue here is that the spikes we saw may be related to excessive use and/or not being used as directed. One thing I cannot conclude accurately is exactly how much was used. I must rely on the customers input for that with a typical $35 Spectro.

Agreed that BITOG database is not broadbased enough to establish a compelling argument one way or the other.

However if you are a individual oil analysis customer that sees a unexplained rise in certain soft metals using the product, then sees the elevations drop ( whether wear or chemical reaction) after use is ceased and oil changed it is unsettling.

The fact that you are addressing the issue publicly is appreciated and welcome. Please become a BITOG supporter and post more of what you can!

 

[GreenHornet]

This thread is PRECISELY why I view this website several times a week.

Thaks to all (Mike, Terry, et al) for contributing.

I've used BG 44K in my vehicles for a couple of years, every 10K miles or so, and I will continue to use the product.

I am pleased that Mike was able to clarify this topic.

 

[Spector]

Mike states

"All of these attributes have been proven in controlled tests performed by independent (and internationally recognized) research organizations."

I would like to know the names of the organizations? Even if tests or results cannot be divulged just knowing which labs conducted the tests makes a difference. Many companies state the same words but when you ask who; the answer becomes, We cannot tell you who did the testing, proprietary. Wonder why? Any reputable lab would love to have their name released. So who did the testing?

 

[Mystic]

So how does BG44K compare as a fuel system cleaner with other fuel system cleaners? I believe it is an effective fuel system cleaner, because I see it being used at Toyota, Honda, and Saturn new car dealerships. It is also an expensive fuel system cleaner.

BG MOA is supposed to prevent oxidation in motor oils. The interior of the engine is supposed to remain much cleaner when BG MOA is used. So how does it compare with products like Auto-RX, Lube Control, etc.?

 

[Mamala Bay]

A while back when they were promoting BG MOA, the salesman brought a V-8 Chevy engine block to a mechanic shop(a friend of mine). They had the engine rig where they could pull the oil pan off for faster draining. Any ways he used 10w30 oil and ran the engine. He drained the oil and asked the mechanic to provide his oil a 10w30 and a can of BG MOA. He ran the engine for 5 minutes and drained the oil. He then ran the engine with no oil for 1 minute with no temp change. He became a believer in it and uses it in every oil change. I know this for a fact cause I got him started in using Amsoil.

 

[MolaKule]

Now wait a minute.

No temp change in the water temperature or no temp change in the moving parts?

If there is no oil in which to transfer heat from the moving parts to the coolant, then the water temperature may not have changed significantly, but reciprocating and rotating parts in the engine need oil for cooling as well as lubrication.

Bottom line is, how can a chevy V8 operate the hydraulic lifters without oil pressure?

 

[Mamala Bay]

I have no idea Molakule, but he swears by what he had seen. He doesn't believe in any oil additives and it's a family run mechanic shop. He was 60 yrs old at the time and his father had passed the business down on him many years ago. He was excited by the product and sells nothing but BG products to his costumers.

I for one don't use any additives with Amsoil until I read about LC/FP on this forum.

 

[Johnny]

I've known several folks that work (or have worked) for BG and a couple of their distributors and field sales reps over the years, and I have never heard one of them say that after installing MOA you could run your engine without oil.

Anytime anyone tells me I can run my engine without oil because of a product, I advise against using it.

 

[Mamala Bay]

The only reason I don't use the BG Moa with Amsoil is because it's a petro-base. As far as cost wise with a conventional oil, I see no real benefit as oil is much better today. I don't think it's going to hurt your engine, but personally, I would want a synthetic base additive if using with synthetic oil in extended OCI.

I believe Molakule sells a synthetic base oil additive.

 

[Big Jim]

You would be surprised at how long an engine can run after draining the oil without doing any apparant damage, especially if it is not heavily loaded. Idling or even gently reved up for one minute would be a walk in the park.

I have seen engines run as much as 20 to 30 miles of gentle freeway and in town driving that had no evidence of oil starvation when torn down.

I watched a wrecking yard purposly try to scatter an engine by draining the oil and then starting the engine and laying a brick on the gas pedal while it was running. It took nearly an hour for the engine to scatter.

I had an unscrupulous service manager many years ago that intentionally drained the oil and drove it until the rods were knocking to have the engine replaced under warranty. The shop foreman drove it hard for over an hour before it started to knock.

I have even read about bets that are taken on how long it will take an engine to scatter, similar to a football pool. They always ran longer than expected after draining the oil.

The SNAKE OIL companies know that there isn't a lot of risk when making such a demonstration.

By the way, there are some automotive chemical companies that I don't think of as hard core snake oil companies. For the most part, I would not usually put BG in the hard core SNAKE OIL classification.

 

[HerkyJim]

Never heard of "BG" before, but I found their web site and read their "test results". Quite scientific I must say? I then re-read this about oil additives in general:
http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/misc/OilTreatment.html

then I re-read the "test" results from BG's website:

http://www.bgprod.com/bgconsumer/tdc.html

Then I re-read the additives article.

It seems that their (BG's)director of testing is also their technical director? Their test vehicle; their chemicals; their "test"; their analysis; their report.

I conclude that BG is amongst that category of products that might find likely customers amongst those optimistic souls (God bless 'em) who generally indulge in wishful thinking but, for whatever reason, don't seem to apply critical thinking. Not picking on BG. They are just one of the many outfits making a buck off the public.

My $0.02 p.s. I see that some people have mentioned that the dealers recommend and use (sell) BG products. Like they do many other "extras". Hey there's a little profit in every thing sold, and every little bit helps (the bottom line that is)

[ February 28, 2005, 12:57 AM: Message edited by: HerkyJim ]

 

[Pablo]

It is excellent to have a BG rep post here. My two comments on BG are purely anecdotal in nature and from old lore, so to speak.

1) Back in my Volvo hey day....BG injector cleaner (NOT the dump in the tank kind) was sworn to be the ONLY thing that actually worked by many otherwise trustworthy mechanics.

2) It was ALWAYS recommended to change oil after use of this product.

But I never have seen any real data.