WM Supertech 5W30 is Dexos? Does it come in 5 gallon pails? That, and a pail of SAE 40 @ C$50 for 5 gallons could blend me a go-to spark ignition 3-season syn-blend for cheapness.
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Originally Posted By: userfriendly
News flash.... group IIIs are real synthetics without the high price.
They offer the best bang for the buck no questions asked.
Besides Chevron and Petro-Canada, who else makes group III base stocks in NA?
Pick one for next winter.
News flash, no they are not.
Just because some no nothing at the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus said Castrol could sell their group III conventional oils labeled as full synthetic does not make a group III oil synthetic.
Impact on the Synthetic Base Oil Market
In the past 7 or 8 years, synthetics, in general, have seen increased activity. One brand that exemplifies this trend has been Castrol's Syntec, whose market share in the last 5 years has climbed from virtually nothing to 20%. Nearly every major oil company currently has a synthetic product line. Based on this trend, the NAD decision has set a tone that may significantly impact the "synthetic" base oil market, specifically the supply and demand of PAOs and VHVIs.
A Castrol spokesperson assessed, "As the NAD's decision reflects, synthetic engine oils formulated with high-quality hydroisomerized basestocks - like the basestock used in Castrol Syntec - clearly match the performance specifications of synthetic engine oils formulated with PAO basestocks. For that reason, such stocks have been, and will continue to be, competitive with PAO basestocks. Castrol believes that consumers will continue to benefit from that competition."
An expert familiar with PAOs disagrees. He said, "The market is reading too much into the decision and trying to cast a broader net for other mineral oil basestocks. It is very important to note that Castrol's claim was made for a very specific product from a very specific feedstock. Castrol argued that Shell's XHVI from a slack wax stream is synthetic. The spokesperson indicated this is the part of the decision that has the largest potential impact. The quality of Group III products in inconsistent, and their physical properties are different from one manufacturer to the next. If these products were to be classified as synthetic, and suppliers use some of the poorer quality Group IIIs in the synthetic market, consumers will be misled and the high-margin niche that has been developed by present-day synthetics will erode."
Costa of Conoco Lubricants suggested, "Presently, the supply and demand for PAOs as lubricant basestocks are generally in balance. Thus, a decision or ruling allowing the use of another (particularly less expensive) oil into the segment of the market now occupied by PAOs will obviously create a temporary softness in the PAO market."
Lok of Chevron contended the jury is still out on the impact of the NAD's decision. "Many of our customers are still studying this ruling and deciding what course of action to take. In the immediate future, high-performance Group III base oils will probably gain some volume at the expense of PAOs. But the enhanced competition can very likely expand the total size of the synthetic market, allowing for continued growth of both PAO and Group III UCBOs." Lok said he believes the PAO market will always be a niche market because of the limited availability of PAO feedstocks.
"The availability of new fully hydroprocessed Group III base oils, whose capacities are measured in thousands of barrels per day, will allow manufacturers to specify high performance in mainstream applications," said Lok. He further suggested, "We think that this development can further increase the already healthy growth rate of the synthetic market, to the point that both PAO and Group III UCBOs can co-exist in the market place."
A Henkel spokesperson said, "We believe that the market would begin to differentiate products by performance rather than by a definition that may have been compromised."
Newman of AMSOIL suggested, "We're concerned about the message to consumers. The NAD decision will result in increased confusion in the marketplace among consumers. Even the experts aren't entirely in agreement on this matter. If a Group III basestock is acceptable as 'synthetic,' it helps all Group III products and weakens the meaning of the word 'synthetic.' Not all Group III lubricants are created equal." He added, "True synthetics will continue to offer significant performance advantages, including high- and low-temperature performance under extreme conditions, oxidative stability, and lower volatility, to name a few."
News flash.... group IIIs are real synthetics without the high price.
They offer the best bang for the buck no questions asked.
Besides Chevron and Petro-Canada, who else makes group III base stocks in NA?
Pick one for next winter.
News flash, no they are not.
Just because some no nothing at the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus said Castrol could sell their group III conventional oils labeled as full synthetic does not make a group III oil synthetic.
Impact on the Synthetic Base Oil Market
In the past 7 or 8 years, synthetics, in general, have seen increased activity. One brand that exemplifies this trend has been Castrol's Syntec, whose market share in the last 5 years has climbed from virtually nothing to 20%. Nearly every major oil company currently has a synthetic product line. Based on this trend, the NAD decision has set a tone that may significantly impact the "synthetic" base oil market, specifically the supply and demand of PAOs and VHVIs.
A Castrol spokesperson assessed, "As the NAD's decision reflects, synthetic engine oils formulated with high-quality hydroisomerized basestocks - like the basestock used in Castrol Syntec - clearly match the performance specifications of synthetic engine oils formulated with PAO basestocks. For that reason, such stocks have been, and will continue to be, competitive with PAO basestocks. Castrol believes that consumers will continue to benefit from that competition."
An expert familiar with PAOs disagrees. He said, "The market is reading too much into the decision and trying to cast a broader net for other mineral oil basestocks. It is very important to note that Castrol's claim was made for a very specific product from a very specific feedstock. Castrol argued that Shell's XHVI from a slack wax stream is synthetic. The spokesperson indicated this is the part of the decision that has the largest potential impact. The quality of Group III products in inconsistent, and their physical properties are different from one manufacturer to the next. If these products were to be classified as synthetic, and suppliers use some of the poorer quality Group IIIs in the synthetic market, consumers will be misled and the high-margin niche that has been developed by present-day synthetics will erode."
Costa of Conoco Lubricants suggested, "Presently, the supply and demand for PAOs as lubricant basestocks are generally in balance. Thus, a decision or ruling allowing the use of another (particularly less expensive) oil into the segment of the market now occupied by PAOs will obviously create a temporary softness in the PAO market."
Lok of Chevron contended the jury is still out on the impact of the NAD's decision. "Many of our customers are still studying this ruling and deciding what course of action to take. In the immediate future, high-performance Group III base oils will probably gain some volume at the expense of PAOs. But the enhanced competition can very likely expand the total size of the synthetic market, allowing for continued growth of both PAO and Group III UCBOs." Lok said he believes the PAO market will always be a niche market because of the limited availability of PAO feedstocks.
"The availability of new fully hydroprocessed Group III base oils, whose capacities are measured in thousands of barrels per day, will allow manufacturers to specify high performance in mainstream applications," said Lok. He further suggested, "We think that this development can further increase the already healthy growth rate of the synthetic market, to the point that both PAO and Group III UCBOs can co-exist in the market place."
A Henkel spokesperson said, "We believe that the market would begin to differentiate products by performance rather than by a definition that may have been compromised."
Newman of AMSOIL suggested, "We're concerned about the message to consumers. The NAD decision will result in increased confusion in the marketplace among consumers. Even the experts aren't entirely in agreement on this matter. If a Group III basestock is acceptable as 'synthetic,' it helps all Group III products and weakens the meaning of the word 'synthetic.' Not all Group III lubricants are created equal." He added, "True synthetics will continue to offer significant performance advantages, including high- and low-temperature performance under extreme conditions, oxidative stability, and lower volatility, to name a few."
So what you are saying is that Supertech synthetic is not such a good deal because it is not a PAO or a synthetic?
Originally Posted By: userfriendly
So what you are saying is that Supertech synthetic is not such a good deal because it is not a PAO or a synthetic?
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So what you are saying is that Supertech synthetic is not such a good deal because it is not a PAO or a synthetic?
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My whole fleet is moving to Supertech after the next change. Best bang for the buck, considering its cheap without watching sales or mail in rebates.
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