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" not to hot", he said. Hes going to want a northern state even though its getting hotter here every year
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Arizona.
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Arizona.
We have property up in Maine so I spend a lot of the summer there. Many tiny seacoast villages. So peaceful and the air is so clean. The locals are the friendliest happiest people I've met anywhere. They drive 80mph on back roads. They drive really fast for some reason.
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Arizona.
I was going to say that your area seems to have an ideal climate. In your temperature ranges we don't need to heat or cool our house, just fine tune with opening and closing windows.
I think my favorite area of the US that I've been to, is around Smokey Mountains national park. It seemed to be high enough in elevation that it wasn't super hot in the summer. Deals Gap is nearby and almost all roads are fun and winding. Everyone seemed pretty friendly. The coast isn't too far away either for a few days at the beach.
Arizona.
I was going to say that your area seems to have an ideal climate. In your temperature ranges we don't need to heat or cool our house, just fine tune with opening and closing windows.
I think my favorite area of the US that I've been to, is around Smokey Mountains national park. It seemed to be high enough in elevation that it wasn't super hot in the summer. Deals Gap is nearby and almost all roads are fun and winding. Everyone seemed pretty friendly. The coast isn't too far away either for a few days at the beach.
Originally Posted By: Brons2
Personally, politics is one of the last things I would think about when deciding on a place to live. I'm from Oregon originally but living in a right-wing state doesn't faze me at all.
Mod's my comments are not being made to start anything political. They are just a response as to why the prevailing politics of a state might matter to someone if deciding to move there. Hope this is not a violtation of the rules? Not intentional if it is.
Brons2;
IMO the politics of a state definitely play into your decision on where to live if you care about how the laws and tax burden might effect you as a resident. Taxes and laws are political so I don't see how that would not play into your decision to move somewhere? Taxes at the least although the laws you live under have a very big impact on your quality of life while living there.
Massachusetts is a prime example of a state I would NOT move to because of politics. They legislate EVERYTHING and tax you to death on EVERYTHING. It is basically little California. I have family and friends that live there. You couldn't pay me to live in MA even though I only live 15 miles from the border. The taxes my Sister pays are staggering. I about
when I saw what she pays a year in income/property tax never mind sales tax. The things she must do( or can't do )as a result of legislating every issue to death would drive me insane as well. I just could not live in MA because of the way political ideaology impacts the way of life.
I have lived in New Hampshire my whole life( 44 years ). NH used to be a conservative state. That changed in the last 10-15 years as people from liberal states moved here to escape the issues there. Unfortunately, they voted in the same types here that caused the issues in their former states.
NH has never had a sales or income tax; just local property taxes. The property taxes were high but not crazy. Our state always broke even or had a budget surplus, no crazy laws making daily life a chore, schools were well funded and provided a very good education, low crime rates, and our roads were all well maintained and so on. We now have massive budget deficits, annual attempts to institue income and sales taxes( failed to this point ), crazy new laws they want to pass or have passed every time you turn around, our roads and schools are heading down the [censored], and some of our bigger cities are turning into ghettos with lots of crime. It is a mess here and nothing like the state I grew up in.
So, to me, the politics of a state do matter as I have seen how both sides of the political specturm effect the residents of a state. I still love it here mainly due to being near the coast( I would shrivel up and die if I couldn't smell saltwater )and because we still have a lot of rural areas( not a city fan ). Politics, and their effect on my life, is an almost daily issue causing me stress and annoyance. Never used to be that way. I can pin point when everything changed and it is politics related.
No offense but how can anyone say politics doesn't matter when chosing where to live? And again I apologize if this was too "political". Not intended to be. Rather just the observations from someone who has seen the results of a dramatic shift from one political ideology to another in the same state.
Personally, politics is one of the last things I would think about when deciding on a place to live. I'm from Oregon originally but living in a right-wing state doesn't faze me at all.
Mod's my comments are not being made to start anything political. They are just a response as to why the prevailing politics of a state might matter to someone if deciding to move there. Hope this is not a violtation of the rules? Not intentional if it is.
Brons2;
IMO the politics of a state definitely play into your decision on where to live if you care about how the laws and tax burden might effect you as a resident. Taxes and laws are political so I don't see how that would not play into your decision to move somewhere? Taxes at the least although the laws you live under have a very big impact on your quality of life while living there.
Massachusetts is a prime example of a state I would NOT move to because of politics. They legislate EVERYTHING and tax you to death on EVERYTHING. It is basically little California. I have family and friends that live there. You couldn't pay me to live in MA even though I only live 15 miles from the border. The taxes my Sister pays are staggering. I about
I have lived in New Hampshire my whole life( 44 years ). NH used to be a conservative state. That changed in the last 10-15 years as people from liberal states moved here to escape the issues there. Unfortunately, they voted in the same types here that caused the issues in their former states.
NH has never had a sales or income tax; just local property taxes. The property taxes were high but not crazy. Our state always broke even or had a budget surplus, no crazy laws making daily life a chore, schools were well funded and provided a very good education, low crime rates, and our roads were all well maintained and so on. We now have massive budget deficits, annual attempts to institue income and sales taxes( failed to this point ), crazy new laws they want to pass or have passed every time you turn around, our roads and schools are heading down the [censored], and some of our bigger cities are turning into ghettos with lots of crime. It is a mess here and nothing like the state I grew up in.
So, to me, the politics of a state do matter as I have seen how both sides of the political specturm effect the residents of a state. I still love it here mainly due to being near the coast( I would shrivel up and die if I couldn't smell saltwater )and because we still have a lot of rural areas( not a city fan ). Politics, and their effect on my life, is an almost daily issue causing me stress and annoyance. Never used to be that way. I can pin point when everything changed and it is politics related.
No offense but how can anyone say politics doesn't matter when chosing where to live? And again I apologize if this was too "political". Not intended to be. Rather just the observations from someone who has seen the results of a dramatic shift from one political ideology to another in the same state.
If you're putting it strictly down to taxes, both Oregon and Washington are "liberal states", but they're both in the bottom half of state taxes. Personally, I think it would be silly to discount a state just because of it's overall political orientation. States are big, and you can always live near people like you. My state certainly has very conservative areas, and since he's looking for somewhere more rural, and rural areas are generally more conservative it could certainly be a good fit.
That said, he can legally shoot someone for stealing his car stereo in Texas, and that seems important to him based on previous threads. So, maybe WA would be too liberal. I'd recommend Texas.
As far as AZ, it does have parts with 4 seasons. I will say you couldn't pay me enough to live anywhere but the left coast. I'll never go back to that weather, ever. I spend a lot of time outside, so weather is my main consideration.
That said, he can legally shoot someone for stealing his car stereo in Texas, and that seems important to him based on previous threads. So, maybe WA would be too liberal. I'd recommend Texas.
As far as AZ, it does have parts with 4 seasons. I will say you couldn't pay me enough to live anywhere but the left coast. I'll never go back to that weather, ever. I spend a lot of time outside, so weather is my main consideration.
There's always the Southern Tier of NY. A gallon of milk is $2, eggs are $1.39/dozen, and out here in the country the city yahoos drive through as fast as they can. There are little farmer's stands everywhere during the summer, and it's really pretty. A solid house also goes for $50-60k, and land is similarly priced. The hunting is also pretty good, and folks love their guns around me. There's also relatively little crime, but the meth-heads are starting to change that...
The downsides are that getting a well-paid position can be difficult if you don't know anybody, any shopping has to be done online or make a daytrip out of it, and one needs a car to do anything since there's no public transportation, not even a taxi in some areas.
The downsides are that getting a well-paid position can be difficult if you don't know anybody, any shopping has to be done online or make a daytrip out of it, and one needs a car to do anything since there's no public transportation, not even a taxi in some areas.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
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Massachusetts is a prime example of a state I would NOT move to because of politics. They legislate EVERYTHING and tax you to death on EVERYTHING. It is basically little California. I have family and friends that live there. You couldn't pay me to live in MA even though I only live 15 miles from the border. The taxes my Sister pays are staggering. I about
when I saw what she pays a year in income/property tax never mind sales tax. The things she must do( or can't do )as a result of legislating every issue to death would drive me insane as well. I just could not live in MA because of the way political ideaology impacts the way of life.
I have lived in New Hampshire my whole life( 44 years ). NH used to be a conservative state. That changed in the last 10-15 years as people from liberal states moved here to escape the issues there. Unfortunately, they voted in the same types here that caused the issues in their former states.
NH has never had a sales or income tax; just local property taxes. The property taxes were high but not crazy. Our state always broke even or had a budget surplus, no crazy laws making daily life a chore, schools were well funded and provided a very good education, low crime rates, and our roads were all well maintained and so on. We now have massive budget deficits, annual attempts to institue income and sales taxes( failed to this point ), crazy new laws they want to pass or have passed every time you turn around, our roads and schools are heading down the [censored], and some of our bigger cities are turning into ghettos with lots of crime. It is a mess here and nothing like the state I grew up in.
So, to me, the politics of a state do matter as I have seen how both sides of the political specturm effect the residents of a state. I still love it here mainly due to being near the coast( I would shrivel up and die if I couldn't smell saltwater )and because we still have a lot of rural areas( not a city fan ). Politics, and their effect on my life, is an almost daily issue causing me stress and annoyance. Never used to be that way. I can pin point when everything changed and it is politics related.
No offense but how can anyone say politics doesn't matter when chosing where to live? And again I apologize if this was too "political". Not intended to be. Rather just the observations from someone who has seen the results of a dramatic shift from one political ideology to another in the same state.
A life long NH resident bashing MA is nothing new. Hows your property taxes up there with the (your words) "massive budget deficits"? To suggest property taxes are more in MA vs NH is utterly false, and you know it. Per 1,000 is way more up there. Its basically your only state revenue. Your real estate has far less valuation than MA, so property taxes seem smaller on paper. Because of the low valuation to its primary revenue, your state is sinking in debt.
Whats odd in your response is you praise the lack of income and sales tax, but condemn it for (your words) massive budget deficits.
Southern NH is mostly Ma residents that migrated north for a cheap house, but migrate south to work every day. Yeah income tax, but higher pay.
To be clear, not saying either state is better than the other. I shop in southern NH
Out of the two I choose Maine!
PS: Not going politico here, don't want to. But it should be noted we are quickly becoming Independents!
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Massachusetts is a prime example of a state I would NOT move to because of politics. They legislate EVERYTHING and tax you to death on EVERYTHING. It is basically little California. I have family and friends that live there. You couldn't pay me to live in MA even though I only live 15 miles from the border. The taxes my Sister pays are staggering. I about
I have lived in New Hampshire my whole life( 44 years ). NH used to be a conservative state. That changed in the last 10-15 years as people from liberal states moved here to escape the issues there. Unfortunately, they voted in the same types here that caused the issues in their former states.
NH has never had a sales or income tax; just local property taxes. The property taxes were high but not crazy. Our state always broke even or had a budget surplus, no crazy laws making daily life a chore, schools were well funded and provided a very good education, low crime rates, and our roads were all well maintained and so on. We now have massive budget deficits, annual attempts to institue income and sales taxes( failed to this point ), crazy new laws they want to pass or have passed every time you turn around, our roads and schools are heading down the [censored], and some of our bigger cities are turning into ghettos with lots of crime. It is a mess here and nothing like the state I grew up in.
So, to me, the politics of a state do matter as I have seen how both sides of the political specturm effect the residents of a state. I still love it here mainly due to being near the coast( I would shrivel up and die if I couldn't smell saltwater )and because we still have a lot of rural areas( not a city fan ). Politics, and their effect on my life, is an almost daily issue causing me stress and annoyance. Never used to be that way. I can pin point when everything changed and it is politics related.
No offense but how can anyone say politics doesn't matter when chosing where to live? And again I apologize if this was too "political". Not intended to be. Rather just the observations from someone who has seen the results of a dramatic shift from one political ideology to another in the same state.
A life long NH resident bashing MA is nothing new. Hows your property taxes up there with the (your words) "massive budget deficits"? To suggest property taxes are more in MA vs NH is utterly false, and you know it. Per 1,000 is way more up there. Its basically your only state revenue. Your real estate has far less valuation than MA, so property taxes seem smaller on paper. Because of the low valuation to its primary revenue, your state is sinking in debt.
Whats odd in your response is you praise the lack of income and sales tax, but condemn it for (your words) massive budget deficits.
Southern NH is mostly Ma residents that migrated north for a cheap house, but migrate south to work every day. Yeah income tax, but higher pay.
To be clear, not saying either state is better than the other. I shop in southern NH
Out of the two I choose Maine!
PS: Not going politico here, don't want to. But it should be noted we are quickly becoming Independents!
Personally I would go where a decent paying job that has career growth potential. Of course consider living costs.
Unfortunately this typically is not in the right areas of states. Deciding where to go based on politics of entire state will severely limit you.
I am happy in my seacoast area of NH however its not the best place for career growth IMHO nor low cost of living. However its an easy nice life.
Unfortunately this typically is not in the right areas of states. Deciding where to go based on politics of entire state will severely limit you.
I am happy in my seacoast area of NH however its not the best place for career growth IMHO nor low cost of living. However its an easy nice life.
I have lived in several states and there is something special about each. Most states have areas that you would like. I would not move just to find the perfect area because it does not exist. Each has good and bad. Research the areas you might be interested in.
Since you don't want too much heat....I would suggest northern Arizona. In some of the higher elevations and somewhat mountainous areas the weather is nearly perfect the entire year. Sunny most of the time, politically favorable, scenic, great history, mostly decent people, and even a bit of culture in the cities. I'm not sure about the employment picture or exactly what line of work you are into, but it might be worth a look. One thing to keep in mind about the heat in Arizona in the summer is that it is very low in humidity. Completely different that where you live. And in the areas I suggest, it's not nearly as hot as down in Phoenix/Tucson.
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Originally Posted By: Brons2
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
but i cannot live in a left wing state
If you get outside the major metro areas, even California has lots of conservatives. In fact all my relatives out there are very conservative.
Personally, politics is one of the last things I would think about when deciding on a place to live. I'm from Oregon originally but living in a right-wing state doesn't faze me at all.
Same thing in NJ. I love it and wouldnt really care to live most anywhere else. Most of the richest counties in the country are in the mid-atlantic area, and thus most of the jobs and ability to create wealth, IMO.
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
but i cannot live in a left wing state
If you get outside the major metro areas, even California has lots of conservatives. In fact all my relatives out there are very conservative.
Personally, politics is one of the last things I would think about when deciding on a place to live. I'm from Oregon originally but living in a right-wing state doesn't faze me at all.
Same thing in NJ. I love it and wouldnt really care to live most anywhere else. Most of the richest counties in the country are in the mid-atlantic area, and thus most of the jobs and ability to create wealth, IMO.
Originally Posted By: hr1940
I have lived in several states and there is something special about each. Most states have areas that you would like. I would not move just to find the perfect area because it does not exist. Each has good and bad. Research the areas you might be interested in.
Good advice. I've lived in a number of states too, and I would agree with the above.
Research the employment opportunities first, then narrow down from there based on climate and things that you like to do.
I have lived in several states and there is something special about each. Most states have areas that you would like. I would not move just to find the perfect area because it does not exist. Each has good and bad. Research the areas you might be interested in.
Good advice. I've lived in a number of states too, and I would agree with the above.
Research the employment opportunities first, then narrow down from there based on climate and things that you like to do.
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
Indiana. You can find whatever you want here. Our cost of living is among the lowest in the country. Easy to find rural lifestyle yet commute to city if necessary. Indy is perennially the most affordable housing market in the country. Lefties need not apply. Also good on gun laws. Where else can you get a lifetime carry license? Not too far from MO in case you want to visit. Similar climate.
I would have never thought of Indiana, and I have bunches of relatives there.
But you are right, esp downstate [away from Chicago].
Indiana is worth considering.
Either that or Missouri.
Indiana. You can find whatever you want here. Our cost of living is among the lowest in the country. Easy to find rural lifestyle yet commute to city if necessary. Indy is perennially the most affordable housing market in the country. Lefties need not apply. Also good on gun laws. Where else can you get a lifetime carry license? Not too far from MO in case you want to visit. Similar climate.
I would have never thought of Indiana, and I have bunches of relatives there.
But you are right, esp downstate [away from Chicago].
Indiana is worth considering.
Either that or Missouri.
Personally having lived in both a "conservative" and a "liberal" part of the nation I've come to the conclusion that most people you will run into are not that political, and there's always places that you would like to live in with like minded people, and there's lots of overlap between different states in terms of how people behave and what the communities are like.
I'd check out places where you have a high chances of finding a good career for your strength and having friends in. Having good friends and decent job stability / income means a lot more than what the big climate of politics is like.
A place where you have lots of friends also can help you adjust much easier than being sent to a middle of a state you've never been in and have to deal with it all by yourself.
Also where there's jobs there's high living expense (housing, food, tax, etc). There's no way around it. Ideally you should move where you have an offer (or multiple offers) for the job you want to.
I'd check out places where you have a high chances of finding a good career for your strength and having friends in. Having good friends and decent job stability / income means a lot more than what the big climate of politics is like.
A place where you have lots of friends also can help you adjust much easier than being sent to a middle of a state you've never been in and have to deal with it all by yourself.
Also where there's jobs there's high living expense (housing, food, tax, etc). There's no way around it. Ideally you should move where you have an offer (or multiple offers) for the job you want to.
If you want to be a mechanic you should move somewhere with bad roads and bad public transportation so people have to have cars. This meets your criteria of stingy government budgets as well. If you go somewhere with mandatory vehicle inspections and become licensed, you've got a solid revenue stream. People will find the money to fix their cars if properly cornered in good times and bad.
Find a place and make it work. Federal income tax brackets really punish "happening" places as do housing prices. I moved from MA to ME and the salaries here are half as much but the housing 1/4 the price with more land so it more than works out, IMO.
It's easy to preach that a regions politics are getting corrupted by people "from away", I know some Californians who are retiring to Arkansas to get away from the liberalism. (Surely to the chagrin of at least one of their neighbors) But every generation seems more progressive than the previous one, so it could be your neighbors, or your kids
voting in these onerous policies. They are probably a byproduct of high population density and people in crowded "affordable" apartment buildings getting on each others' nerves. So look into somewhere where you can get 60 acres of undevelopable swamp land adjacent to one building lot and build your sportsman's paradise.
Find a place and make it work. Federal income tax brackets really punish "happening" places as do housing prices. I moved from MA to ME and the salaries here are half as much but the housing 1/4 the price with more land so it more than works out, IMO.
seems like all the nice looking states have crazy taxes. ect i need to get more info on indiana. my favorite nascar driver lives there but that's all i know.
I'm going to vote for the Florida East coast beach area, somewhere around the space coast.
Yes, Florida is hot in the summer. But, the Florida East coast is less hot than say, Atlanta, or Memphis, or nearly any interior Southern city. This is particularly true if you live very near the beach.
I live in Jupiter, about 16 miles inland and it's really hot here in summertime. No wind, 97 degrees, 100% humidity. However, a quick drive to the beach and it becomes 10 degrees cooler. I work at the airport and it's fairly close to the ocean. The temp is very acceptable there too.
Travel 175 miles North from Jupiter, and the summers are markedly shorter, the nights cooler and peak temperatures similar. Making for a very comfortable, year round, beach side existence.
Yes, Florida is hot in the summer. But, the Florida East coast is less hot than say, Atlanta, or Memphis, or nearly any interior Southern city. This is particularly true if you live very near the beach.
I live in Jupiter, about 16 miles inland and it's really hot here in summertime. No wind, 97 degrees, 100% humidity. However, a quick drive to the beach and it becomes 10 degrees cooler. I work at the airport and it's fairly close to the ocean. The temp is very acceptable there too.
Travel 175 miles North from Jupiter, and the summers are markedly shorter, the nights cooler and peak temperatures similar. Making for a very comfortable, year round, beach side existence.
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