Best New Mix - Size SUV ?

[Ws6]

The Ford Explorer ST is easily a better SUV than anything Toyota makes except for resale value. Its also not a total pud.

 

[trd1zz]

Toyota is trash. I had a 2021 rav4 prime. My first and last Toyota. You know what issues that model had that are systemic?

-The roof leaks into the a pillar airbag area. Toyota makes you pay. Why? Because the roof rack rails are held on with plastic clips that have foam washer type gaskets. In the heat cycling and vibration, they develop clearance issues

-The HV cable is subject to corrode. This was a $5k fix until Toyota finally owned it.

-It could catch fire (per toyota) if you charge it in <39*f temps as I recall.

These issues did not plague mine as I dumped it for an RDX in 6mo. However, they are blatant engineering flaws in what should have been a very mature product offering.

Toyota wouldn't get any attention from anyone at all if they didnt have the absolute bull run that was 1990-2009-ish for them. The interior materials are meh. The engineering is poor. The performance is lacking. They just a horrible option from every angle except one: Resale. And only because people tend to take a while to learn when things change.

Toyota PHEV is very mature? Should have went Toyota N/A if you want very mature. Did the chance of catching fire keep you up at night?

 

[SC Maintenance]

I don’t know which but I wouldn’t be jostling a hybrid around for even light off road. Batteries, electronics, and vibrations don’t mix well. For anything off road Get a gasser whatever it is.

 

[trd1zz]

I don’t know which but I wouldn’t be jostling a hybrid around for even light off road. Batteries, electronics, and vibrations don’t mix well. Get a gasser whatever it is.

Toyota's off road specific BOF 4x4 vehicles like the 4Runner (upper trims), Tacoma (upper trims), Land Cruiser, and LX700h (300 series land cruiser) are all hybrids.

For unibody construction with very light off road you may want to consider a Subaru of some sort.

 

[lovcom]

Toyota is trash. I had a 2021 rav4 prime. My first and last Toyota. You know what issues that model had that are systemic?

-The roof leaks into the a pillar airbag area. Toyota makes you pay. Why? Because the roof rack rails are held on with plastic clips that have foam washer type gaskets. In the heat cycling and vibration, they develop clearance issues

-The HV cable is subject to corrode. This was a $5k fix until Toyota finally owned it.

-It could catch fire (per toyota) if you charge it in <39*f temps as I recall.

These issues did not plague mine as I dumped it for an RDX in 6mo. However, they are blatant engineering flaws in what should have been a very mature product offering.

Toyota wouldn't get any attention from anyone at all if they didnt have the absolute bull run that was 1990-2009-ish for them. The interior materials are meh. The engineering is poor. The performance is lacking. They just a horrible option from every angle except one: Resale. And only because people tend to take a while to learn when things change.

And yet, there are millions of Toyota hybrid/prime owners who would disagree with you, and have found their cars fantastic. You seem to greatly exaggerate, or worse.

 

[lovcom]

The Ford Explorer ST is easily a better SUV than anything Toyota makes except for resale value. Its also not a total pud.

That Ford is easily the least dependable of anything Toyotal makes, and Ford suffers a bad reputation. Yes, we all understand that you are a Toyota hater and this prevents you from providing objective and fair responses.

 

[GSCJR]

The roof leaks into the a pillar airbag area. Toyota makes you pay. Why? Because the roof rack rails are held on with plastic clips that have foam washer type gaskets. In the heat cycling and vibration, they develop clearance issues

Thank you, I need to investigate this as I noticed a wet floor mat and A-pillar fabric (where it meets the dash) the other day. My first thought was moonroof drains are plugged and therefore backing up into the vehicle. BTW, the outlaws just gifted their '20 RDX to my wife today.

 

[IndyIan]

Toyota is trash. I had a 2021 rav4 prime. My first and last Toyota. You know what issues that model had that are systemic?

-The roof leaks into the a pillar airbag area. Toyota makes you pay. Why? Because the roof rack rails are held on with plastic clips that have foam washer type gaskets. In the heat cycling and vibration, they develop clearance issues

-The HV cable is subject to corrode. This was a $5k fix until Toyota finally owned it.

-It could catch fire (per toyota) if you charge it in <39*f temps as I recall.

These issues did not plague mine as I dumped it for an RDX in 6mo. However, they are blatant engineering flaws in what should have been a very mature product offering.

Toyota wouldn't get any attention from anyone at all if they didnt have the absolute bull run that was 1990-2009-ish for them. The interior materials are meh. The engineering is poor. The performance is lacking. They just a horrible option from every angle except one: Resale. And only because people tend to take a while to learn when things change.

I won't throw all Toyota's under the bus, but it seems they have some trouble with their first year new models in the past few years. Toyota used to be one of the rare brands that got almost everything right from the start of a new design, but it seems not so much lately...
Anyways, you are never buying the brand, you are always buying a specific model and year, so it still pays to do your research on that basis, as all manufacturers screw up once in a while.
Ford managed to screw up Toyota's planetary gear CVT for a few years, which is impressive!

 

[Ws6]

That Ford is easily the least dependable of anything Toyotal makes, and Ford suffers a bad reputation. Yes, we all understand that you are a Toyota hater and this prevents you from providing objective and fair responses.

Like I said, people are slow to accept change. Consumer reports lists the explorer at a 68 for reliability, and the Toyota Sequoia at 59. Lexus RX is 67. Lexus GX, 65. Toyota Corolla Cross, 66. But again, you said "reputation ", which is true. Because as you note, people lack objectivity.

 

[Ws6]

Toyota PHEV is very mature? Should have went Toyota N/A if you want very mature. Did the chance of catching fire keep you up at night?

Yeah, it's a 20 year old thing for them. And no, it didnt, but the fact that they mucked it up was frustrating.

 

[Ws6]

And yet, there are millions of Toyota hybrid/prime owners who would disagree with you, and have found their cars fantastic. You seem to greatly exaggerate, or worse.

Well, here's a few that aren't.

https://driving.ca/features/mainten...vision estimates that,16 million) of this sum.

 

[edyvw]

And yet, there are millions of Toyota hybrid/prime owners who would disagree with you, and have found their cars fantastic. You seem to greatly exaggerate, or worse.

Same owners who drive 65mph in left lane in 75mph speed zone. Then enter construction zone where speed limit is 45mph, but they keep driving 65mph because they generally lack any situational awareness. That sums up those owners.
My neighbor is that owner. Her Sienna was falling apart and on my question how is her car (trying to start conversation with her, so I can tell her to go fix it and doesn’t kill herself or someone else) she said: “best car ever, never had an issue.”
So yeah, when you don’t acknowledge problems, it is most reliable car.
To this day bunch of mechanics recommend “anything Toyota,” while average Tundra/Sequoia makes 5,000mls before engine replacement.

 

[OilUzer]

I think op wants a mid size SUV. If I wanted to buy a bigger SUV, it would be Sequoia. Pretty sure it has or used to have the 5.7L MPFI V8.