Best MOLY additives?

[CharlesInCharge]

Just looking for additives, I already have oil. Various companies, weights, etc.

I'm neither asking nor soliciting a debate on the merits, nor slander to any company or lubricant. I'm seeking objective information on any oil additives that have a healthy dose of moly. I've acquired a large stash of oils, all with seemingly excellent VOAs, but looking at the VOAs for some of them they are light in the moly category and I'd like to add a shot of moly to the OCI. The oils I have seem to have between 50ppm to 100ppm. I see that premium oils like Redline, Amsoil, PUP, have 200-300+ ppm.

If you have seen or had success with a moly additive please post up. If you just have a snarky comment, please keep it to yourself and move along.

 

[UG_Passat]

Liqui Moly MOS2, but make sure you drive the car often, so it doesn't fall out of suspension.
BG MOA is a big kick in Moly
Lubeguard Biotech engine protectant has a healthy addition of Moly

 

[930.engineering]

Pass on MoS2 and consider Tungsten/Wolfram. Eurol Engine treat contains a healthy dose of Vanderbilt Vanlube W-324. 'W' stands for Wolfram (Tungsten). Much better thermal stability compared to MoS2, no solids, no risk to fall out of suspension. Vanderbilt Vanlube W-324 is what Ravenol is using in there higher-end engine oils.

Friction Reducers > VANLUBE® W-324 | Vanderbilt Chemicals, LLC

<strong>VANLUBE W-324</strong> is an organotungstate which is soluble in petroleum fuels and lubricants.

www.vanderbiltchemicals.com

250ML - E802315 | Eurol Engine Oil Treat

Oil additive aimed at reducing friction through Tungsten technology

eurol.com

 

[kschachn]

And as should be noted in these numerous and repetitive “what’s the best” questions, no UOA can discriminate in any way which one is better. If you’re trying to use the UOA for that purpose you’re better off just skipping it and saving your money. Your imagination as to whether it is better or worse is just as valid as the UOA.

 

[Davejam]

For MoS2

MoS2 Anti-Friction Engine Treatment

MoS2 Anti-Friction Engine Treatment ensures immediate friction and wear reduction, adds an extremely protective and pressure-resistant boundary layer with low friction and lubricates during cold starts to prevent damage from lack of oil. Contributes to lower fuel consumption, longer engine life...

products.liqui-moly.us

For MoDTC
It was thought that Lubegard Biotech had it. Though I can't find specific reference for why that was.

Bio/Tech Engine Oil Protectant - Lubegard

www.lubegard.com

 

[930.engineering]

And as should be noted in these numerous and repetitive “what’s the best” questions, no UOA can discriminate in any way which one is better. If you’re trying to use the UOA for that purpose you’re better off just skipping it and saving your money. Your imagination as to whether it is better or worse is just as valid as the UOA.

I fully agree on that. I don't recommend using additives, I just wanted to provide
a suggestion for an - I believe - "superior" alternative to using MoS2. At least W-324
is more modern, probably more advanced compared to MoS2. It's one of Vanderbilt's
latest developements and used in some GM/VW/BMW/Porsche/MB approved PCMOs.
.

 

[sk_pete]

thanks to ravenol, i became tungsten freak.
don´t waste time on moly. (even more so, on powdered stuff)

 

[OVERKILL]

And as should be noted in these numerous and repetitive “what’s the best” questions, no UOA can discriminate in any way which one is better. If you’re trying to use the UOA for that purpose you’re better off just skipping it and saving your money. Your imagination as to whether it is better or worse is just as valid as the UOA.

Indeed, the reason Mobil doesn't sell "Mobil 1 oil saver" is because the product is already blended optimally. Ravenol doesn't use moly because they use tungsten instead. Other blenders use titanium.

With some of these products it's a lot like buying an AI, CADEX or McMillan precision rifle and then buying a "cryo treated" barrel from the guy that runs the local junkyard because he's advertising "it's got EVEN MORE STEEL!" and of course more must be better. And cryo treated? Jesus on a napkin, give me 20!

 

[RooflessVW]

Mobil 1 Racing 0W-30 or 0W-50.

 

[FZ1]

Looks like it's better to just by a high moly oil.

 

[930.engineering]

Negative. Because:

How much FREE quality motor oil would you take/stock?

As a purely fun thought exercise containing magical stipulations, and nothing more, how much free quality motor oil would to take and store. It can be any brand name oil sold at Walmart, Autozone, Napa, and similar retail outlets. But the stipulations are is that it must only be used by you or...

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[ka9mnx]

More importantly is the additive "package" and not about one ingredient.

 

[OVERKILL]

More importantly is the additive "package" and not about one ingredient.

Indeed. Maybe Lubrizol should start producing additive packages not based on performance, but on component quantity.

You could have:
Low moly "super wimp" formula for those "girly oils"
Medium moly "regular" formula for those that are thrifty
High moly "super" formula for those that just need MORE
and EXTRA BIG ASS MOLY! for those that need MOOOOOOORE! It's the MOLY MULTILATOR! It'll put moly in your neighbour's engine!

 

[PimTac]

There is no best.

 

[kschachn]

Indeed. Maybe Lubrizol should start producing additive packages not based on performance, but on component quantity.

You could have:
Low moly "super wimp" formula for those "girly oils"
Medium moly "regular" formula for those that are thrifty
High moly "super" formula for those that just need MORE
and EXTRA BIG ASS MOLY! for those that need MOOOOOOORE! It's the MOLY MULTILATOR! It'll put moly in your neighbour's engine!

And don't forget those that also might have a stout dose of boron. The crowd would go wild!

 

[PimTac]

I wonder what light on moly means? How does one define light on moly?

 

[RooflessVW]

and EXTRA BIG ASS MOLY! for those that need MOOOOOOORE! It's the MOLY MULTILATOR! It'll put moly in your neighbour's engine!

Man, I could really go for a Starbucks, you know?

 

[930.engineering]

Sometimes I'm under the impression that even the most experienced forum members
aren't immune against an underestimated and widely unexplored virus called trolling.
.

 

[Zee09]

And don't forget those that also might have a stout dose of boron. The crowd would go wild!

I take 6 mg of Boron daily but it is best with B2. I second Boron.

 

[Davejam]

Here is some information.
Regarding fully formulated oils with higher Moly I've found that generally QS Synthetic and RGT are 150-200ppm Moly.
I'm not sure if RGT is available readily anymore.
And i'm not sure if QS SP still has higher moly...i'd like to know the answer to this.

I love the comments on here...Moly has been one of the greatest antiwear additives EVER.
And now it aint $%*# anymore. lol give me a break.

Here was VOA of Biotech

Lubegard Bio/Tech Engine Oil Protectant - VOA

Many thanks to Blackstone Labs for running this VOA at no charge. Aluminum / 0 Chromium / 0 Iron / 0 Copper / 0 Lead / 0 Tin / 0 Molybdenum / 1891 Nickel / 0 Manganese / 0 Silver / 0 Titanium / 0 Potassium / 0 Boron / 134 Silicon / 17 Sodium / 70 Calcium / 3183 Magnesium / 10 Phosphorus / 3472...

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And VOA of a different Lubegard product:

Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA

OK, so I know this is not a "PCMO/HDEO" VOA but there's not a spot for additives. There is a VERY old VOA of Lubegard Bio/Tech on the board, and there have been comments here that the Heavy Duty may or may not be the same, and may or may not have esters etc. I know VOA won't show esters but...

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