Baseline MPG. Charger RT.

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Over 3100 and change miles fuelly calculated my mileage at 19.2 average.
This was with Mobil 1 5w-20 and a Bosch oil filter. I will be changing the oil and filter tonight and be adding mos2 as per the instruction for 7 quarts of oil.
I've added nothing as far as fuel additives nor oil additives in the charger.
After 3000 miles of mos2 I'll be incorporating my home brew fuel additive and will see it that help at all.
 
Maybe a new Charger with Pentastar V6 would deliver more of what your looking for.Hemis were never known for high MPGs.
 
Oil additive wont give you more than a few % at best.... specially since your oil is already top notch.

I'd check the air filters , AC pressure ( its a huge hug if its faulty ) , tires , breaks first before deciding on oil additive.


Sorry tell you , but you have an american car thats supposed to be "performance oriented" , you CANNOT expect MPG mirecles with it. If you had an Accord , Camery , it would be a diffrent discussion.

EPA ratings are actually done by manufactures in 90%+ of cases , if they didnt lie most car companies would be bankrupt years ago.

With that said , dont buy BIG BOY cars ever again if you want to save at the pump.
Even smaller American cars like Chevy Sonic , Ford Fiesta get good gas milage because they are small tuned cars.
 
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19.2 average for a ~4500 pound car with just shy of 400 horsepower on tap and room for 5 in drive-all-day comfort is dang good. I think he's got EXACTLY what he's looking for. If he had an Accord or Camry he'd probably be looking for something to hang himself with... I know I would. :-) At least he gets that mileage on regular, unlike me :p

That said, there's no reason NOT to go looking for a few extra tenths of an MPG or even more. Its all in good fun.
 
Trade the car if it bothers you so badly - you are driving a heavy beast as 440Magnum posts. No oil additive will help physics. Otherwise enjoy it and fork over the cash. 18-22mpg on those cars is absolutely normal.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
19.2 average for a ~4500 pound car with just shy of 400 horsepower on tap and room for 5 in drive-all-day comfort is dang good. I think he's got EXACTLY what he's looking for. If he had an Accord or Camry he'd probably be looking for something to hang himself with... I know I would. :-) At least he gets that mileage on regular, unlike me :p

That said, there's no reason NOT to go looking for a few extra tenths of an MPG or even more. Its all in good fun.




I didn't think it was too bad to be honest. In fact it gets better all around mileage than my moms 4 cylinder caliber. I'm not complaining.
Oh and I'm using premium. The premium fuel here contains no ethanol so even though I don't need the octane I prefer to run pure gasoline when possible.
The reason for starting this whole little test was because injured again asked about mmo,and posted some good results with it cleaning his miata. Then he tried mos2 based on my,and a few others experiences and fuel consumption decreases. Since he is intimate with the car he thought he'd be in a good position to evaluate the product.
Since the charger is new to me I thought it was a good idea to use the stuff after evaluating the vehicle and its consumption of fuel.
Since the car is new to me and never seen mos2 before I thought is was a perfect candidate. And I thought the thread would be informative to anyone doing a search on mos2. They would have previous consumption data,then my per tank mileage data all in one place,instead of hundreds of anecdotes stating various things.
This way my data is all right here,in 1 thread.
I'm going to ask brule to post in this one his data as well so we have more than just a single tester,and only my data.
2 testers in 1 thread.
Winning



Originally Posted By: Dominic
Trade the car if it bothers you so badly - you are driving a heavy beast as 440Magnum posts. No oil additive will help physics. Otherwise enjoy it and fork over the cash. 18-22mpg on those cars is absolutely normal.


Exactly where is i say it was bothering me. Did you even read the post or is this your way of getting your post count up m
Had you even bothered to pay attention you would know that Brule and I had decided to do a 3000 mile run in our vehicles to establish a baseline mpg.
Then we are going to run MOS2 to see if there was any fuel consumption benefit.
We are doing it to add to the forums experience database so if any member ever asks they can be directed to this,and a few other threads.
Had you bothered to even look before posting that valuable comment you'd have seen that brûle and I were infringing on a couple of threads with our baseline testing so I thought instead of polluting the threads that started this whole thing I'd just start a thread so the info could be focused into 1 thread.
I do thank you for your valuable input. I'll be sure to ignore any further input as its been proven you have nothing to add to the thread,so save yourself the effort and don't bother enlightening me with your helpful experience.



Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
You're dreaming if you think that an oil additive will improve your fuel economy.


Yep. So I was dreaming when my chev truck gained 120kms per tank after adding it.
Or I was dreaming when my last hemi went from 14mpg to 17mpg with the only difference being MOS2.
I must have been asleep when my girls windstar gained 2 mpg using it as well.
I'll try to post with just my awake experiences,fair enough n
Maybe PM injured again,he can inform you of his fuel economy increase in his miata,that apparently aren't happening while he's awake.

For anyone who just wants to pollute my thread with absolutely nothing worth reading please save your effort. This thread is to keep track of my mileage with mos2 in the sump,and that being the only difference.
The car is new to me last month so I too will be learning as I acquire and post the data.
If you have nothing useful to add don't bother. I'll just ask the mods to delete your post. This threads only reason for existence is to keep track of my consumption after adding mos2.
If you don't believe in this stuff or whatever I don't care,nor am I interested in your comments.
If you have a discussable data point then please post. But if your going to try and push the absurdity of mos2 plugging an oil filter or destroying and engine then save the fairy tales for your kids bedtime story.
And for the naysayers save your negativity til the fuel consumption data to start getting posted.
Fair enough
 
The car i'm using is a 2003 Honda Civic Si with 220k miles. I'm using Pennzoil Ultra 10w30 with an oem Honda oil filter. So far my baseline mpg is 30.15 with 50/50 city/hwy driving. I've got to fill-up tomorrow and in a few more days once again. I'll repost exact numbers from all of the runs then.

(Repeating what I stated in the old thread) For consistency I'm using the same gas station and pump, not using AC or defrost, keeping tires inflated properly, and doing the same mix of city/hwy.
 
Some years ago I used Pennzoil Platinum 5w20 with 1oz per quart VSOT for the first time in the E430, it had Mobil 1 0W40 all its life until then.

I went to Vegas several times a year, the gas mileage with Mobil 1 0W40 was around 23-24 MPG with speed around 85-95 MPH. With PP plus VSOT the gas mileage was 26-27 MPG all the way to Vegas, even with 2 hours stop and go near Death Valley to cover a distance of about 10-12 miles. All the way home the mileage was 28-29 MPG because of smoother traffic flow at similar speed.

The problem is which one improved the gas mileage, Pennzoil Platinum 0w20 or VSOT or both ? I should tried one only and then tried another and both on the third trial.

In my experience, you will never know if an additive will help MPG in your engine and driving condition or not until you try it yourself.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy


For anyone who just wants to pollute my thread with absolutely nothing worth reading please save your effort. This thread is to keep track of my mileage with mos2 in the sump,and that being the only difference.
The car is new to me last month so I too will be learning as I acquire and post the data.
If you have nothing useful to add don't bother. I'll just ask the mods to delete your post. This threads only reason for existence is to keep track of my consumption after adding mos2.
If you don't believe in this stuff or whatever I don't care,nor am I interested in your comments.
If you have a discussable data point then please post. But if your going to try and push the absurdity of mos2 plugging an oil filter or destroying and engine then save the fairy tales for your kids bedtime story.
And for the naysayers save your negativity til the fuel consumption data to start getting posted.
Fair enough


Fair enough and well said. I'm looking forward to your results and wish I could participate. My problem is I'm not due for an oil change until late October and will probably be running a winter fuel mix then.
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
19.2 average for a ~4500 pound car with just shy of 400 horsepower on tap and room for 5 in drive-all-day comfort is dang good. I think he's got EXACTLY what he's looking for. If he had an Accord or Camry he'd probably be looking for something to hang himself with... I know I would. :-) At least he gets that mileage on regular, unlike me :p

That said, there's no reason NOT to go looking for a few extra tenths of an MPG or even more. Its all in good fun.




Well, there is one. ROI. One would have to get enough of a MPG, or GPM (gallons per mile) difference to offset the cost of the additive
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan

Well, there is one. ROI. One would have to get enough of a MPG, or GPM (gallons per mile) difference to offset the cost of the additive


True, but the cost of a can of MoS2 is about $8 which is less than the cost of 3 gallons of gas. My civic is at 30 mpg pre-additive presently. Over its 10K mile OCI the civic would have to gain the mileage of 3 gallons of gas which is 90 miles. 10,000/90 = 0.9%. So it would take just under a 1% improvement in mpg for the MoS2 to pay for itself.

My Frontier which I'll be testing next is another story. Since I'm only going 7500 miles per OCI and it's getting about 18 mpg I will need to gain 54 miles to pay for the MoS2 [3x18 mpg]. 7500 / 54 = 0.72%. Again, less than 1%.

Additionally, mpg improvement would signify other things. It would mean reduction of friction in the engine [bearings, rings, etc.] which one could assume also means increased engine life. Please correct any leaps in logic I may have made.

For me though right now it's all if's and maybe's. I'm waiting for the data. At my core I'm an anti-additive person because in almost every case manufacturers recommend against them. I don't really expect this to help, but it's cheap and I'm open to it. I'll keep using MoS2 in the future only if there are positive results.
 
Originally Posted By: Brule
The car i'm using is a 2003 Honda Civic Si with 220k miles. I'm using Pennzoil Ultra 10w30 with an oem Honda oil filter. So far my baseline mpg is 30.15 with 50/50 city/hwy driving. I've got to fill-up tomorrow and in a few more days once again. I'll repost exact numbers from all of the runs then.

(Repeating what I stated in the old thread) For consistency I'm using the same gas station and pump, not using AC or defrost, keeping tires inflated properly, and doing the same mix of city/hwy.


I also recently bought a 2003 Si. I am currently getting 24 mpg 80/20 city/highway.
 
Originally Posted By: silverrat


I also recently bought a 2003 Si. I am currently getting 24 mpg 80/20 city/highway.


Besides more highway driving than you I have replaced the heavy stock 15" wheels with some old aluminum 14" wheels. The weight difference per tire/wheel was 15 lbs. each. Gave me noticeably better acceleration, too. Previously on stock wheels I was getting around 28 mpg.
 
Originally Posted By: Brule
Originally Posted By: silverrat


I also recently bought a 2003 Si. I am currently getting 24 mpg 80/20 city/highway.


Besides more highway driving than you I have replaced the heavy stock 15" wheels with some old aluminum 14" wheels. The weight difference per tire/wheel was 15 lbs. each. Gave me noticeably better acceleration, too. Previously on stock wheels I was getting around 28 mpg.


Did the tire size change have any impact at all on your speedometer reading? Which in turn can impact mpg readings, although if you started your testing with the smaller tires on it won't matter.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Did the tire size change have any impact at all on your speedometer reading? Which in turn can impact mpg readings, although if you started your testing with the smaller tires on it won't matter.


Stock tire diameter: 24.2" / New tire diameter: 23.5" = 0.7" smaller

Yes, the tire diameter is smaller so every calculation I do I take off the 2.89% difference the odometer reading which ends up being about 10 miles per run. What I am posting here is after that adjustment so not to complicate things.

In other words I am getting closer to 31 mpg according to the odometer, but the real number is the 30 mpg I am reporting here.
 
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
19.2 average for a ~4500 pound car with just shy of 400 horsepower on tap and room for 5 in drive-all-day comfort is dang good. I think he's got EXACTLY what he's looking for. If he had an Accord or Camry he'd probably be looking for something to hang himself with... I know I would. :-) At least he gets that mileage on regular, unlike me :p

That said, there's no reason NOT to go looking for a few extra tenths of an MPG or even more. Its all in good fun.




Well, there is one. ROI. One would have to get enough of a MPG, or GPM (gallons per mile) difference to offset the cost of the additive


KNOWLEDGE is return on investment too, for those who are interested in such things as whether or not MoS2 does any good. Maybe it doesn't lower operating costs, but its interesting to simply try to learn if it is lowering frictional losses.
 
Originally Posted By: Brule
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Did the tire size change have any impact at all on your speedometer reading? Which in turn can impact mpg readings, although if you started your testing with the smaller tires on it won't matter.


Stock tire diameter: 24.2" / New tire diameter: 23.5" = 0.7" smaller

Yes, the tire diameter is smaller so every calculation I do I take off the 2.89% difference the odometer reading which ends up being about 10 miles per run. What I am posting here is after that adjustment so not to complicate things.

In other words I am getting closer to 31 mpg according to the odometer, but the real number is the 30 mpg I am reporting here.


Thanks for the reply. If the tires were the same size tires before you started the testing in all honesty it wouldn't matter. It is the % increase or decrease in mpg we're looking for with the addition of the MoS2.
 
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