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A friend of a friend
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had what was, when he opened it, "totally free checking" account. Laid off for almost two years he had some pocket change left in there.

Bank sent him a letter saying (his story) in 6 months they were converting to "less totally free checking". I didn't grab the terms but assume either a minimum deposit or direct deposit is required to waive the fees. In his words they did it before the 6 months were up. (I doubt it-- they found a legal weasel way I'm sure.)

They charged a couple modest monthly fees until a negative balance. Now for the fun, they started adding a $35 overdraft fee... over and over again. He's $700 in the hole and in a brash example of maturity, is telling them to stick it.
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Not on his radar is the "blacklist" (chex systems?) that'll keep him from getting a checkbook anywhere else ever again. He just paid his mom in cash to use her credit card to pay his car insurance (one of the "direct" companies). He'll be paying little fees up the wazoo to cash paychecks etc. (He just started working again!)

His condition aside, here's what frosts my cookies: That bank is calling his $700 debt an "asset", no doubt, and when they eventually write it off they'll claim extreme poverty and surprise! This would be an excuse to raise fees again, due to an "inhospitable business environment" or whatever.

IMO when the paychecks start adding up he should offer them $100 to close the account and call it even. His credit is trashed anyway so there isn't much to lose.
 
Best one that I remember was my (ex) credit union.

Started fee free and zero interest. Decided that they would make a flat $1per check payable when the book was issued...then started sending out book after book.

I went in to cancel my account, and they argued that too many customers were complaining about running out of cheques.
 
Chex systems does NOT totally blacklist a person from all banks. Having worked at a financial institution in the past, we had accounts to cater to those who had negative marks on chex systems. Eg. the credit union I worked for had a "fresh start" checking account. If chex systems returned a bad response, you'd get a fresh start account. Had to pay $4 a month in service fee for 1 year, and after that you get converted to a traditional "free" checking account.

Things are not what they used to be... chex systems isnt an automatic 'hide under a rock' for the rest of your life, neither are bankruptcies. Heck, my BIL filed bankruptcy and had 2 unsecured credit cards within two months after his discharge. Its been about a year (not quite a full year) and he bought my sister (his wife) a new Camaro, with a loan rate probably better than I could get.
 
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You've got to keep in mind that the ONLY way these people can make any money at all in this environment is to SLIP in some contrived fee. It has been my experience that fees are creeping in to all businesses and you've got to watch 'em. Caveat emptor!
 
Let's see, I'm sure Amsoil pays about $1/quart for base oil. Why is the finished products $7 or $8?

Same logic...................
 
Don't forget, banks can loan more dollars than they actually have. Their reserves only have to be a percentage of deposits.

Fees are one part of making money. Banks issue credit cards, and that's a big money maker. Auto loans, mortgages, etc all provide revenue.
 
Originally Posted By: Brett Miller
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: H2GURU
You've got to keep in mind that the ONLY way these people can make any money at all in this environment is to SLIP in some contrived fee. It has been my experience that fees are creeping in to all businesses and you've got to watch 'em. Caveat emptor!


Lemme see - Banks, etc pay 0.5% or less interest out and loans are 5-6%+. Trust me the only way they make money are not all those stupid fees!


Let's see, I'm sure Amsoil pays about $1/quart for base oil. Why is the finished products $7 or $8?

Same logic...................


Not the same logic at all - why did you post this?

I was merely pointing out that the "only" way banks make money is not fees. Is this not true?

Your point is? Some rant about companies making profit??

(PS I think synthetic base oil is way more than $1 quart)
 
Banks definitely make their money with the "free checking" accounts and insane overdraft policies. I had closed an account after having fraudulent charges, and even after getting letters saying they have reversed the charges under Fraud Protection, they would no close the account until it was brought back to a zero balance. I had withdrawn all of my money and opened another account, but every once and a while this fraudulent charge would pop up. I eventually paid it off to zero the account so I could close it, with promises that the bank would issue a check within 2 business days for the fraud protection. I got a letter 5 days letter thanking me for taking care of the problem and they "consider the matter closed".

I promptly terminated ALL of my accounts with that bank, wrote a letter to their corporate office, and transferred my credit card balance to another cc company. Over a $150 matter. Stupid. But they just didn't get it, they were going to make their money somehow.

This is US Bank, by the way.

WaMu has specifically cited in interviews that their Free Checking is what keeps them in business, with $35 overdraft fees that rack up. But people use them as instant credit instead of a safety net, but will still keep on doing it. Not good for credit education for the customers IMO as they get locked into the cycle, but great for the banks. I actually liked WaMu for many years, myself or my wife have had accounts there for 12 years or so. Chase took over and I have had nothing but customer service problems and policy issues. It's too bad they have so many branches around here and are convenient, but I hate dreading going to the bank because they can't get their [censored] together. They want me to open a small business account and I just can't see them screwing up my business as well as my personal accounts hahaha.
 
That was my ex-wife's MO for checking. She never checked her balance. So she would have $100 in overdraft protection fees. (You think CC interest is expensive, do the math on those fees as an APR.)

It drove me nuts and was a likely contributor to our divorce. I was always mad when I opened the statement or the credit card bill, and she decided she had enough and had an affair.

So while I miss having my daughter with me everyday, financially, divorce was one of the best things that happened to me.

I was able to pay off almost all of $70K worth of debt WHILE in the middle of the divorce while paying her child support, paying for my lawyer, etc.

It was really that bad.

Money is one of the number one contributors to divorce. If you get two folks with vastly different views on how to handle it, it's nothing but trouble.

I still have free checking. oilBabe and I have been married over two years now and I think we've paid one fee because we mis-communicated and had to use our line of credit at the bank. So I think we paid about $10 in fees for that one transaction.

However, since July 2007, we've gotten free checks, etc for that account, so we've more than paid for that $10 or so in fees and interest for the two weeks we owed our LOC.

Free checking can be a great thing if you keep it free. The fees are totally avoidable. You simply choose to spend less than you have, and don't do those things that generate fees for them.
 
This must be Bank of America. They suck really bad. When I was in College, I had a free checking account when I was a poor college student with Nation's bank. They got bought out by Bank of America. Well, sure enough, a few weeks later after the merger. I got a letter from Bank of America saying they will charge me $8/month if I don't have a minimum $800 balance in my checking account. This was back in 1998, I was 21 years old, and paying my way through college working part time. I canceled that account right away and went to a free college student checking account with Regions bank and stuck with them ever since.

A few weeks ago, my wife had a Bank of America credit card. Well originally, it was a MBNA America credit card with a 20k credit card limit with $0 balance. Bank of America bought out MBNA America a few years ago and her credit card was now Bank of America. Well a few weeks ago, my wife tells me that she logged into her 2 bank of america credit card accounts online. Bank of America canceled her $20k credit card with the $0 balance for nonuse!! We didn't get a letter, a phone call, or email from Bank of America. I'm pretty sure my wife's FICO score took a hit because of them closing her 10 year old credit card, we are planning to buy a house in 6 months. Bank of America will not be our mortgage lenders!
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Credit unions any better? I have no experience with them, but my wife is a teacher and I also work for a school...wonder if it's time to switch.
 
I don't know if you have "Virtual Banks" south of the border but I bank with one of these style banks up here and there is no fees for anything. (Presidents Choice Financial) They don't have official branches just Pavillions in grocery stores that can help you. They also offer 24/7 phone/internet banking and telephone support should you need it.

Cheques are free, deposits/withdraws are free and paying by Interac (Debit) for your purchases at a store is free.

They have high interest savings accounts and low borrowing costs as well. My Credit Line interest rate is excellent.

I have banked with them for over 10 years and have had no issues and saved a ton of money as average fee's up here are about $10-15/month for the average person so that would make my savings $1200 - $1800!

They are a member of the CDIC (Canadian Depositors Insurance) and your deposits are guaranteed for up to $100K also they are backed by CIBC, one of the big banks up here and so I can use their machines for deposits/withdrawls all over Canada as well as all the ones that PC offers.

Dunno about you but I was tired of getting nickled/dimed for everything with the "big guys".

With that said here is a funny video I'm sure you will all get a laugh out of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyrzyd5Rq1Y

Steve
 
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Originally Posted By: [email protected]
Chex systems does NOT totally blacklist a person from all banks. Having worked at a financial institution in the past, we had accounts to cater to those who had negative marks on chex systems. Eg. the credit union I worked for had a "fresh start" checking account. If chex systems returned a bad response, you'd get a fresh start account. Had to pay $4 a month in service fee for 1 year, and after that you get converted to a traditional "free" checking account.

Things are not what they used to be... chex systems isnt an automatic 'hide under a rock' for the rest of your life, neither are bankruptcies. Heck, my BIL filed bankruptcy and had 2 unsecured credit cards within two months after his discharge. Its been about a year (not quite a full year) and he bought my sister (his wife) a new Camaro, with a loan rate probably better than I could get.


Who says this is not a wonderful country?
 
Originally Posted By: Solo2driver
Credit unions any better? I have no experience with them, but my wife is a teacher and I also work for a school...wonder if it's time to switch.


Most CUs are a good deal. Try it out for a while before closing any other accounts.
 
There's a video on Youtube where a guy proves that BOA holds deposits arbitrarily as "pending transactions" to get their overdraft fees. He opens an account with a check card, deposits a check, the hold it for longer then normal, and he buys a bunch of items that all cost under $1, and his account goes in the red to the tune of like $700 from all the overdraft charges! They hold his deposit for 5 days.
 
There are many sneeky ways for banks to make money off you.
One not mentioned is that they post cleared checks before they post deposits. If your checks are enough to cause a 'overdraft', they profit.
Credit Unions are generally better; but some are getting almost as bad as the regular banks have become.
Let experience be your guide here.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Brett Miller
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: H2GURU
You've got to keep in mind that the ONLY way these people can make any money at all in this environment is to SLIP in some contrived fee. It has been my experience that fees are creeping in to all businesses and you've got to watch 'em. Caveat emptor!


Lemme see - Banks, etc pay 0.5% or less interest out and loans are 5-6%+. Trust me the only way they make money are not all those stupid fees!


Let's see, I'm sure Amsoil pays about $1/quart for base oil. Why is the finished products $7 or $8?

Same logic...................


Not the same logic at all - why did you post this?

I was merely pointing out that the "only" way banks make money is not fees. Is this not true?

Your point is? Some rant about companies making profit??

(PS I think synthetic base oil is way more than $1 quart)



Sure it is. There is a lot fixed costs to recover before you make the first cent. Doesn't matter if it's a bank or a manufacturing company.
 
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