Ban Pit Bulls

[Silk]

It's not so much a dog ban but a breeding ban,with hopefully the same result.But like gun laws it doesn't keep them out of the hands of the people who shouldn't have them.A recent case involved an attack from a dog owned by a gay couple,I guess the dog was a fashion accessory.So,so often the dog attack is on a young child,it's heartbreaking and I think the public has had enough...

We have a strong Maori Gang culture here,they fight dogs,they steal dogs...every mean tough lowlife gang member has to have a equaly mean tough aggressive dog with a name like Satan and a studded collar to have any ''rep'',the dogs run free on their fortress properties.But as with gun laws,these are the guys who have guns and Pit Bulls,but for the most part it's inter gang,not something the public gets involved with.(hope you don't find out about the Mongrel Mob member who went past my house the other day with hostiges in the car and shooting at the 14 police cars following,but in typical New Zealand fashion he was apprehended and there were no injuries involved)

A few years ago we were in a rural location,but had many kids in our street - one day I saw all the kids playing in the road and a dog amoungst them being a bit aggressive...I asked my daughters if he had ever bit anyone,and they said yes,a couple of times.I told the Dog Ranger the next day - ''that's all I need to know'' she said,''they aren't allowd dogs'' Coming home that night I saw 3 dogs layed out on the side of the road - no more problem.It was a small community and the Dog Ranger could control who had what dogs,tough but fair.

 

[Dan4510]

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Originally posted by Rhymingmechanic:
The only reason a person would need a pit bull or Rottweiler is to protect a meth lab.

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Biased statement without any supporting eveidence. And insulting to boot.

Dan

 

[Larry the Cable Guy]

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Originally posted by Dan4510:
Wow there is way too much lack of solid informtion and unsupported opinion here...

Furthermore, if one cannot define the differences between an American Pitt Bull Terrier, bull terrier, staffordshire bull terrier or bull mastiff, the better part of valor might just be bowing out of the debate before a startling lack of discernment becomes evident to one and all...

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This pretty much defines the differences. These three don't resemble each other at all. There is NO LACK OF DISCERNMENT, PERIOD.

American Staffordshire Terrier: http://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/index.cfm

Bullmastiff:
http://www.akc.org/breeds/bullmastiff/index.cfm

Bull Terrier:
http://www.akc.org/breeds/bull_terrier/index.cfm


Wow there is way too much lack of solid informtion and unsupported opinion here...

 

[Bryanccfshr]

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Originally posted by Larry the Cable Guy:

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Originally posted by Rob Taggs:
...It is all in how you raise them. When it comes to the behavior problem that is due to too much inbreeding.

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You are confusing me. Are you saying that canine agression is a product of how they are raised or how they are bred?

I wouldn't support a dog fighter by purchasing his puppies.

"Inbreeding" itself does not create agression but agression CAN be bred...

Many breeds are known primarily for their temperament. It didn't happen by accident. It is done by design - selective breeding over time.

I raise Golden Retrievers who's purpose is to be a useful gun dog. Temperament is of the utmost importance in this breed. One of my bitches is absolutely drop-dead gorgeous. She has an awesome coat, great structure and moves nicely. She has one terrible flaw: she is easily frightened. Some days she scares herself! I cannot breed her because of that. I refuse to breed a dog that does not have the potential to improve the breed.

Steve

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You are a responsible breeder. I stopped breeding my dogs when I discovered a flaw in my male as he aged hip displasia was apparent. It's alot of work to be a good breeder and anyone who tdoes it for the money is as silly as someone who joins the military for a paycheck.

 

[Larry the Cable Guy]

Thanks Bud! I appreciate the compliment. We do go to the expense to verify the health of our breeding stock. That includes heart, eyes (annually), hips and elbows. We are super pleased that our foundation bit ch "Allie" received an OFA Excellent on her hips.

And you are right about the money. We have yet to make a cent by breeding.

BTW, my wife is active duty...

Mr. Mom

 

[moribundman]

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There is one breed that far outpaces any other for biting people...the Chihuahua. Since they bite so many people, they should be banned--Tacos and all.

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What's a chihuahua gonna do? Nibble you to death?

 

[bypassfilter]

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Originally posted by moribundman:

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There is one breed that far outpaces any other for biting people...the Chihuahua. Since they bite so many people, they should be banned--Tacos and all.

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What's a chihuahua gonna do? Nibble you to death?

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depends on how tall you are

 

[srivett]

I really hate it when people take their dogs into Elevators with me no matter what the breed. I'll see the owner getting dragged down the street by some dog the size of Godzilla and he/she will usually get into the elevator with me on the 1st floor (I park in the basement). So here we are in a 4x8 box with a psycho dog that I know the owner can't handle... Some times I tell them to take the stairs.

Having said that, I've had a dog before and she was very intimidating to strangers. She was a Springer Spaniel and she'd growl and bark and run at strangers but she wasn't dangerous (any self preserving person would keep away from her out of fear). As a result we didn't always get our mail when she was outside but that's okay. We didn't blame somebody for not wanting to be around our dog and we didn't force her presence on anybody. We tried really hard to train her but it didn't work so we had to deal with the results.

Steve

 

[Bryanccfshr]

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Originally posted by Larry the Cable Guy:
Thanks Bud! I appreciate the compliment. We do go to the expense to verify the health of our breeding stock. That includes heart, eyes (annually), hips and elbows. We are super pleased that our foundation bit ch "Allie" received an OFA Excellent on her hips.

And you are right about the money. We have yet to make a cent by breeding.

BTW, my wife is active duty...

Mr. Mom

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Then you know exaxctly what I am talking about.

 

[XS650]

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Originally posted by Rob Taggs:
When it comes to the behavior problem that is due to too much inbreeding.

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The owners or the dogs?

(Not you)

 

[moribundman]

Of both.

 

[Drew99GT]

All I have to say is, I love my German Shepard. She'll get aggresive with anyone I want her to, and cuddle up with me on my bed. My last German Shepard was a retired trained police dog and she did not have any inate aggresiveness, it was all taught. She was as mellow as can be.

 

[Rhymingmechanic]

My earlier post was not meant as a personal attack on any individual, but I can see how it's timing makes it look directed at you, Rob. It was also not intended to hold up to rhetorical analysis. I was simply stating an opinion about vicious, aggressive, menacing dogs, and we all know what opinions are worth.

To use the gun comparison--I'm all for responsible people owning guns for protection, hunting, or target shooting. But I would have similarly emotional and intolerant things to say about somebody who was out in the street, a park, or their yard waving a pistol at people and firing randomly.

I have no doubt that many of you are responsible dog owners, trainers, and breeders--you'd have to be if you care for your dogs anything like you do your vehicles. I am also tired of hearing about kids (and adults) being mauled or killed by vicious dogs, and tired of being barked at, jumped on, or otherwise menaced and slavered at by big, mean dogs (that are, of course, "cute" or "sweet" and "won't hurt you") when I'm minding my own business on a trail, street, or sidewalk.

 

[labman]

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Originally posted by Winston:
snip... Black Labs are good hunting dogs. snip....

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This it the kind of flat statement that generates more heat than light.

I can't imagine the black Labs I have had that refused to go in the water being much good as a hunting dog. I never gave them chance to swim until they were a year old and we went to a party at their mother's place on the lake. They desperately wanted to play with the other dogs, but wouldn't go in the lake. When I take my puppies to the mall, I don't let them play in the fountains.


Breeding and early socialization are both very important. I see many litter mates growing up in different, but similar environments. Sometimes I am familiar with the parents or other litters they have produced. Quite often dogs' temperaments are similar to their close relatives, but not always. My Prince was a royal pain, but his brother Dawson was much more mellow. Penn State is in the middle of a big study relating genetics to temperament. A few months ago, I filled out maybe a 6 page questionnaire for them on my Lab/Golden cross Sheba.

One of the things about aggressive dogs is the way dogs read their owners emotions and respond accordingly. Do you know any nice people that have nasty, aggressive dogs? How about nasty people with nice dogs?

It is just folly to judge a dog by its breed.

Maybe if we are going to pass laws, we should force the owner to spay/neuter any dog that ever bites anybody except in self defence. .

 

[moribundman]

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It is just folly to judge a dog by its breed.

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I'll consider any animal (or human) that can reach my groin area a potential threat. Body mass, size, size of mouth and teeth are also to consider.

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Maybe if we are going to pass laws, we should force the owner to spay/neuter any dog that ever bites anybody except in self defence.

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Neutered dogs don't bite? How about putting rubber crowns over their teeth?

 

[Larry the Cable Guy]

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Originally posted by labman:
...Breeding and early socialization are both very important. I see many litter mates growing up in different, but similar environments. Sometimes I am familiar with the parents or other litters they have produced. Quite often dogs' temperaments are similar to their close relatives, but not always...

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I really, really agree with that! Especially the early socialization. Our girl "Allie" came from a home that was just short of mayhem. Lots of dogs (8-10?), little kids, dog grooming, remodeling, ...you name it. It drives me nuts to visit there, it's just too outta control BUT it is so great for the puppies! She is the CALMEST dog I have ever owned - by a MILE! Those first nine weeks of her life, with nobody being concerned about waking "the babies" prepared her in a way that I can't describe. The people that I know all say that the goldens from that family are the calmest that they know of...Allie is VERY energetic (she gets that from her sire) but doesn't get bothered at all when things start happening.

How many of you have ever had a dog that BEGGED to have it's feet groomed? Yup, that's Allie!

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Originally posted by labman:
...Maybe if we are going to pass laws, we should force the owner to spay/neuter any dog that ever bites anybody except in self defence...

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AND spay/neuter it's owner.

 

[labman]

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Originally posted by Larry the Cable Guy:
snip...AND spay/neuter it's owner.

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I have suggest that too.

 

[Jeffrey]

Pitbull lovers wish to characterize the dogs as innocent except for the improper care or treatment by humans and then cite examples of dog "bites" as statistical evidence that pitbulls are misrepresented as vicious animals.

Forget dog bites. I am not worried about a "bite." Check stats on maulings and killings of human beings. I really doubt the Dalmatian will rank anywhere near pitbulls in those categories.

 

[genie47]

From where I come from, I'm sick and tired of bans. Please don't ban these dogs. I think it is a knee-jerk reaction to a human problem.

I've come to see and pat police Russian Black Terriers. They are gentle but I will surrender if the police threaten to set one on me.

It is kinda strange seeing a fuzzy cute black dog used for police work capable of dragging you to the floor.

 

[pbm]

Maybe what we need is a license for (specific breed) dog ownership. I'm not talking about the current system where licensing is done only for...what else...REVENUE. Maybe we need a written/oral exam that shows the competencey and intelligence necessary. But then again this logic could be applied to having children and unfortunately that 'ain't gonna happen'.