Bad News For EVs in California

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Canadian Utilities, owned by ATCO, a 22 billion publicly traded company in Canada sold their entire Canadian hydrocarbon fired electric generating assets including coal and gas fired power plants in 2019. They kept the greenie stuff. One of its current projects is to strip hydrogen from natural gas and re-inject the CO2 so the hydrogen can be considered “ Blue Hydrogen”.
 
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Article points out yet another hidden inequity with “renewable” energy: the placement of these systems (mostly solar and wind) are in rural areas. The massive footprint and in-situ environmental damage takes place away from the major population centers and becomes out of sight, out of mind.

Good to see rural areas fighting back and stopping these types of projects.

Maybe when coastal California allows wind turbines offshore, rural California will allow wind in their backyards.
This has been the history of all energy industry since the day we chop down firewoods, then burning coal, then drilling for oil, then hydro dam, power line, fracking for gas and cooking tar sand, then solar and wind turbine.

When was the last time you see any major city having its own energy source within the urban area that isn't dumping pollution in the rural?
 
Let's put it this way: the rural farmers are getting 5% of their requested water allotment because of drought.

It has also been about 5-10 years since farmers, native americans, urban people, environmentalists fight over water for almond farming (something like 90% of the water usage here according to propaganda), alfalfa (propaganda shot back by almond farmer to the ranchers), dumping water into the ocean (ranchers and almond farmers fighting back at the Native Americans and environmentalists in their propaganda).

So no matter what you do we are going to get insufficient water, farmers can decide to abandon their lands or they can use them for solar. Do you want the inland farmers to lose this choice? what is the propaganda of people who want to fight for farmland to solar and wind conversion? Maybe leaving farmland dried up is the way to go.
 
When was the last time you see any major city having its own energy source within the urban area that isn't dumping pollution in the rural?
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PA is right up there with CA in gas tax, used to be higher in PA, now CA has forged ahead a few cents. There has to be tax for roads, and these states have a lot.
What is the answer to why Santa Clara and Palo Alto are able to charge about 1/2 the electric rate of the surrounding PGE with their city owned utilities? One reason may be they have just relatively uniform and flat infrastructure to maintain. But where are they getting the power so cheap? It almost has to come from PGE. Maybe the people in difficult areas to maintain are getting subsidized by the flatlanders I don’t know. My daughter has PGE and the rate hasn’t gone up, don’t know where this article gets their info from, probably where it looks best for what they want to say. Welcome to the age of baloney, I mean information.
More solar needed. Solar everywhere.

I am under SVCE (Silicon Valley Clean Energy) and usage is typically Tier 1 to Tier 2 boundary on flat rate. This is only based on my observation:

1) PG&E, a public company, has been running the grid with insufficient maintenance leading to San Bruno gas pipeline explosion and 2+ massive wildfires that leads to not one, but two bankruptcies.

2) Without government telling them when is it safe to keep the unmaintained rural grid (mainly trimming down trees), they do not have the assets to pay for another future bankruptcy lawsuit payout, so they just shut down the grid to the rural area whenever the wind is strong. They basically say we are not competent in maintaining the grid anymore but we do not want to give up our grid to the municipal wanting to buy us out of businesses, so we will shut you guys down instead.

3) Some municipals form their own utilities and then buy electricity feed in on their own, using only PG&E's grid. They got good rates and do not have to pay for the legacy plants like PG&E does. To be fair the fee I pay my electric is 1/2 to generation and 1/2 to the transit, so PG&E is still making money. This is likely where off grid solar + storage can really save if sized right and you are in rural area that PG&E cut you off when the wind is strong.

My bill would be slightly higher if we are with PG&E vs SVCE, about 10% or so more, but not double.
 
So I guess your solution is to build a nuke in every downtown? Maybe we should all live on nuclear aircraft carrier drifting around the world, it would definitely save on temperature control, now that's an idea.

I just gave an example of it happening ;) The GTA is powered primarily by two nuke plants, Pickering and Darlington, and Pickering is pretty deep inside the GTA.

The Ruskies have floating nukes now. One is powering and heating a town in Siberia, which is pretty cool. They are in the process of building another one.

Locally, a good chunk of our power comes from 5 run-of-river hydro dams, a couple that are right in the centre of the city, but I wouldn't call it a large city, as our population is only around 100K.
 
Canadian Utilities, owned by ATCO, a 22 billion publicly traded company in Canada sold their entire Canadian hydrocarbon fired electric generating assets including coal and gas fired power plants in 2019. They kept the greenie stuff. One of its current projects is to strip hydrogen from natural gas and re-inject the CO2 so the hydrogen can be considered “ Blue Hydrogen”.
How is that different than burning the gas and then sequest the CO2 back into the well?
 
In the end, what is the cost per mile, be it EV or gas? IIRC they did not have cheap gasoline either.
It DEPENDS. The earlier EVs got short range and incentives like free charging, carpool lane accesses like the early hybrids. They were massively more expensive per mile range and they really need the free charging at work to get back home on return trip. Most people lease them and the lender manufacturer lost a ton of money when people turn in their cars.

The newer EVs no longer get the carpool lane access, and charging at work is not free these days from what I heard, yet the range get massive boost after recent advances, so it is really becoming the hybrid of 15 years ago, and we have seen how hybrids are now able to stand on its own without subsidies. When this happens people start looking at the cost per mile including the electricity vs in the past being mainly depreciation.

FYI I am seeing $4.4 / gal of 87 to $5 / gal of 91, and we have 21c/kwh to 60c/kwh depends on which plan you sign on and when you charge. We are not currently out of electricity at mid night - 7am, but these days the grid is really volatile when everyone is injecting with solar and withdrawing with EV charging, things do change quite rapidly.
 
Our gas prices in South/Central CO skyrocketed bcs: truck driver shortage.
Many truck drivers retired during pandemic, and people kind of want living wage at least since driving hazardous material.
Local neighborhood up in arms as they have to pay $3.29 for their gas guzzler bcs. entintelment.
 
Making green electricity too expensive and unreliable to power the mandated EVs is a feature, not a bug. My suspicion is that eventually, in California or somewhere in Europe, all those plugged-in EVs will be blamed for a huge blackout. Then suddenly the push will be to ban private (non-commercial) cars, period, regardless of type of propulsion.

There are already proposals floating around in Europe to ban private vehicles by 2050 on the grounds that even EVs are too bad for the environment. A British government report in 2019 hinted at this.
 
No need to fret about gasoline/diesel prices in the US. Average price in France and most of Europe is ~€ 1.35/liter or roughly $5.40/gallon USD. Just like how to boil a frog, do it slowly and he never realizes just how hot the water is getting. Its coming here too. We'll adjust.

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