Probably because Shell owns Pennzoil now they are trying to maximize profits and I think putting moly in oil is more expensive than oils without so if they leave it out it is cheaper to make. Screw the Evil Empire Corporations.mikeyoilnutt
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I think I'll put my hands on some old SJ-rated LL at TSC before it's all gone.
If it is rebottled Rotella...is that bad? good? ...just another slight of hand like the whole Catrol synthetic debacle?
Perhaps this is why they're taking Moly out of it...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4949299-103690,00.html
Oh no, soon we'll all be driving electric cars. But how do we dispose of all those batteries when the car is headed for the bone-yard?? Then battery acid will be a greater threat than global terrorism. When will this scare-tactic nonsense ever stop?
If it is rebottled Rotella...is that bad? good? ...just another slight of hand like the whole Catrol synthetic debacle?
Perhaps this is why they're taking Moly out of it...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4949299-103690,00.html
Oh no, soon we'll all be driving electric cars. But how do we dispose of all those batteries when the car is headed for the bone-yard?? Then battery acid will be a greater threat than global terrorism. When will this scare-tactic nonsense ever stop?
Pablo,
The date I believe Is July 14th 2003, I believe that stuff will have the moly. I just put a fill of 3 quarts Longlife dated Feb 2003 mixed in with 3 quarts of Pennzoil 5w20. I did plan on having an UOA but probably not anymore because it will not be available anymore. It seams like a decent mix. Oil pressure is at or slightly above the pennzoil 10w30 I was using.
The date I believe Is July 14th 2003, I believe that stuff will have the moly. I just put a fill of 3 quarts Longlife dated Feb 2003 mixed in with 3 quarts of Pennzoil 5w20. I did plan on having an UOA but probably not anymore because it will not be available anymore. It seams like a decent mix. Oil pressure is at or slightly above the pennzoil 10w30 I was using.
Too bad about the moly, boron
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This is OT, but, just quite recently I noticed that the color of the 15w40 Napa (Valvoline) that I used was quite clear. Does this mean that Napa or valvoline also reformulated? (From previous VOA Valvoline 15w40 was the only Valvoline oil with a considerable amount of moly.)
Is there any oil with a nice amt of moly, that doesn't have a healthy shade of dark / brown (or an added coloring --eg green-- to disguise the tan color of moly)?
This is OT, but, just quite recently I noticed that the color of the 15w40 Napa (Valvoline) that I used was quite clear. Does this mean that Napa or valvoline also reformulated? (From previous VOA Valvoline 15w40 was the only Valvoline oil with a considerable amount of moly.)
Is there any oil with a nice amt of moly, that doesn't have a healthy shade of dark / brown (or an added coloring --eg green-- to disguise the tan color of moly)?
Is liquid, oil-soluble Molybdenum Trialkyldithiocarbamate tan?quote:
Originally posted by giant_robo:
Too bad about the moly, boron.
This is OT, but, just quite recently I noticed that the color of the 15w40 Napa (Valvoline) that I used was quite clear. Does this mean that Napa or valvoline also reformulated? (From previous VOA Valvoline 15w40 was the only Valvoline oil with a considerable amount of moly.)
Is there any oil with a nice amt of moly, that doesn't have a healthy shade of dark / brown (or an added coloring --eg green-- to disguise the tan color of moly)?
Ken
Has anyone considered the possibility that moly is being replaced with something better in these reformulations? My grandfather PI$$ED and MOANED till the day he died about the demise of hand cranks from his beloved Fords...
I'm really kinda depressed over this news! No moly, no boron?! To me, LL's add pack was head and shoulders above the other HDEO oils. I feel it was especially suited for mixed fleet service as it had no magnesium which I was always a bit wary of. How many people think they will be switching to a different oil based on the new formulation?
I'm more concerned with Shell ushering the PZ and QS oils out the door in favor of the parent company's offerings. Eventually, will PZ/QS only be rebottled Shell products?? At least BP is letting Castrol be Castrol and not mucking around with their product lines.
Shell Rotella T is not a bad oil. It was the preferred oil in the trucking industry before the advent of Mobil Delvac 1300 but it really is just a typical HDEO now....quote:
Originally posted by ToyotaNSaturn:
I think I'll put my hands on some old SJ-rated LL at TSC before it's all gone.
If it is rebottled Rotella...is that bad? good? ...just another slight of hand like the whole Catrol synthetic debacle?
Perhaps this is why they're taking Moly out of it...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4949299-103690,00.html
Oh no, soon we'll all be driving electric cars. But how do we dispose of all those batteries when the car is headed for the bone-yard?? Then battery acid will be a greater threat than global terrorism. When will this scare-tactic nonsense ever stop?
Of the big three oils in the trucking industry...
Chevron Delo 400 = Best Basestock
Mobile Delvac 1300 = Best Additive Package
Shell Rotella T - Think Delvac Basestock with Delo Additive Package... it has no advantage over either of the other two but disadvantages compared to either... I think of it as the Valvoline of HDEO (All about marketing and what they did 30 years ago) although to be honest I have never looked at a Valvoline HDEO.
Gene
I've said before on this forum that it is rational to expect exactly that over time. Mergers and aquisitions are generally justified on the basis of "Cost Reduction Synergies" and "Enterprise Wide Best Practices Adoption".
One can reasonably conclude that over time the Shell/Pennzoil/Quaker State product lines will in fact converge and just be different labels on the same products. Shell people are likely to deny and obfuscate, but I will bet money that this happens.
Exxon/Mobil has been doing the same thing.
Ditto Chevron/Texaco.
John
No big deal.
Apparently they were able to cost engineer the product, and still meet the minimum requirements.
That appears to be a winner for them, and acceptable to most of the consumers.
Apparently they were able to cost engineer the product, and still meet the minimum requirements.
That appears to be a winner for them, and acceptable to most of the consumers.
lawlz, i awalys thought youre name was "**** falls in church" because i am somewhat dislexic. only today i finally realised that youre name is "**** in falls church"!
Anyone know how to tell if the bottle is new or old formulation by the lot number? I'd like to pick some up if I can find the old LL on the shelf.
thx,
MR
thx,
MR
All I know is the first 6 numbers are the date of manufacture, I just put in a fill of xxxx021303xxxxbla-bla, I believe this is Feb. 13th 2003
Thanks for asking the question, i think it might answer the one i had.
So I googled "trialkyldithiocarbamate" and found this posted on some bulletin board. I don't know if it's accurate or not.
MoS2, molybdenum disulfide, is the gray powder we're used to seeing[....] MoTDC, molybdenum trialkyldithiocarbamate is a transparent liquid, oil soluble, form of moly that works very well in engine oil and hydraulic oil, and some greases and gear oils. This is the form Schaeffer and some other oil companies (Chevron in gasoline engine oil, Pennz in both gasoline & diesel engine oil, and other brands) use in their engine oils. "
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