Audi's experience with low HT/HS LL oils

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As many of you know, our beloved green GC aka Castrol SLX I has a cousin with low HT/HS, SLX II.
I'm not going to try to get every exact detail of the specs correct, but SLX II has (had) a HT/HS of 2.6, iirc. It was the extended drain oil for cars equipped with the VSI variable service interval system. That system included an OC monitior and potentially some engine mods, oil pump and roller rocker arms, iirc. Some of you also know that VW came out with new oil specs, VW 504/507 that combines all the prior specs into one new one for all VW cars.
Now, the new oils are not the low HT/HS like SLX II, they are all 5w-40s. SLX II is tricky as it is a 0w-30, but it must be a thin 30.
Anyway, the bottom line is that on one continent, thin is not in anymore. Draw your own conclusions. Wear numbers can look good, but there can also be "displaced wear" when engines wear in unusual areas.
http://www.audi.co.uk/customer/servicingoption.jsp


To benefit from the new technology and Audi Variable Service Intervals, newly developed Long Life oils such as Castrol SLX OW30 Long Life 2 must be used (please refer to owners handbook). They have been specially formulated for Audi and are a new generation of ultra high-grade synthetic oils designed to withstand ageing and high loads without deterioration. Using ordinary high quality multigrade oil will not cause any engine damage but it will defeat the object of the new technology and cause a service to be needed at 10,000 miles. In addition, compared with conventional oils, Long Life oils gives exceptional levels of engine protection, are kinder to the environment and deliver fuel savings. In recent tests carried out on vehicles in Germany SLX Long Life 2 resulted in a fuel saving of 2.72%.

Depending on how you drive, the interval will be up to 19,000 miles /24 months for petrol engines, up to 22,000 miles/24 months for the V6 TDI diesel and up to 30,000 miles/24 months for 3 and 4 cylinder TDI diesel engines.
 
Yes, I checked too.
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I was using M1 T&S in my TT 1.8T. It works great but I don't like the price. I am switching to Shell Rotella T Synthetic. The HTHS is within the Audi requirements plus I like the cleaning powers of the HDEO oil.
 
Are you saying the SLX II is discontinued and a return to 5-40's? Where does it say this?
 
I think Audi/VW specs in many ways are forms of extortion.BMW and MB do this too.

These engines are not so radically different from joe blow's honda down the street yet he's chugging around just fine with 5w20 used with 10K intervals.
 
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Some of you also know that VW came out with new oil specs, VW 504/507 that combines all the prior specs into one new one for all VW cars.
Now, the new oils are not the low HT/HS like SLX II, they are all 5w-40s.

Some VAG engines still require VW 505.01.

All VW 504/507 oils that I am aware of are 5w30, none is a 5W-40. It also appears that these are, so far at least, combined specs. Based on various sources, VW 504/507 is either a Medium or LOW SAPS formulation. I have been unable to verify which it really is.


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PS: It's "Ingolstadt" and it's not in PA, C.
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Mori, I was waiting for you to chime-in. I thought you said before the 504/507 speces were all 5w30s...with no 0w-40 or 30 weights??? Do you recall anything else about the low HT/HS oils like SLX II? Isn't it true that they are no longer speced at all? I understand the engines can change and their oil requirements too, but if Audi (being the only Euro brand to try low HT/HS that I know of) if Audi tried and dropped it, can we infer anything about 20 weight or low HT/HS becoming the norm Worldwide?
btw- either spelling is acceptable.

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So far I see ONLY 5w30 oil in the VW 504/507 spec. I'll make some wild guesses why that is:

Why 5W and not 0W? Is it because most VW 504/507 oils are HC oils? That's my best guess.

Why 5w30? Because a 30 can have the required minimum HTHS (=3.5) without getting "too thick." I don't know what fuel saving properties VW 504/507 oils must have compared to spec X.

Castrol 5w30 LL III appears to be custom-designed for VAG engines. I don't see any ACEA C3 (or other) rating. I see only VW 504/507.

Besides VW and Audi, Opel (GM) has allowed and still may be allowing oil with low(er) HTHS (2.9, I believe, but don't quote me) in some engines.

While LL III oil is specified for the latest engines, and while LL III oil is also backwards compatible, LL II oil can be used in engines that were designed for it. From what I read on German car forums, LL II oils are still available.

PS: The modern name of the city is Ingolstadt. Ingol stat (never one word!) refers only to the historic place, but never to the modern city. Under Karl the Great, Charlemagne, 800 years ago? the place was called "Ingol stat." The "Place (stat=old German word for modern "Stätte" --> today: Stadt=town) of the Ingol."
 
The one thing that is radically different between VW/Audi and Honda is turbocharging. The other thing is the current German obsession with 24month OCI's.
 
All I can say is that Audi used low HT/HS SLX II for a coupla years and now the new oil specs are all 5w-40 and back to HT/HS >3.5. Draw whateve conclusions you wish. I'm using 30 weight in my new Acura.
 
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