i have a 1991 dodge ram truck the transmission is the A-518 automatic, my transmission was fully rebuilt about 500 miles ago. on my recipt it shows i was chrged for 15 qts of atf+3, when i went to find +3 for a back up quart i was told it doesn't excist anymore and the its +4 that i need, so i called the transmission shop and he said you can put +4 in it if it ever gets low. now when i first called the shop before i ever dealt with the owner one of the mechanics told me that they used a global atf that was ok to run in any automatic transmission except for some ford transmissions that called for type f, so being told +3 dont excist im pretty sure my brand new rebuilt transmission has a global atf of some kind seems how the mechanic him self told me thats what they use. and im pretty sure its the oreilly brand global atf because i seen oreilly labeled oil and transmission bottles all over there shop when i went in there, should i be flushing my transmission asap and putting +4 in it? or is the global atf ok to use? i find it hard to believe that the transmission shop would put global in it and give me a two year warranty if it could damage the transmission, specially after a master rebuild, so i dont know should i be ok to continue driving with whatever global atf is in it and when it comes to change the fluid should i get oreillys global atf or should i flush it and put +$ in it? i also heard the wolfs head is a global atf and from what i have read ppl love it and have had no problems, i dont know alot about atf so thats why im asking, im also a new member so bare with me if my questions seem stupid, thanks to everyone with input.
atf options
- Thread starter pjc360
- Start date
- Status
You might check allpar.com too, good mopar/dodge resource
But typically the Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouths, etc. all take "ATF+4" - the +4 is supposed to be "backward compatible with +1 through +3, allegedly
Running the same boat here with my Aries, looking into a pan drop, gasket change, and fluid change (AFAIK, 3 quarts top off), and yea for _MY_ application I can use ATF+4 _OR_ The "Dexron II" that is spec'd on the trans dipstick....
Some people say the ATF+4 will give "smoother" shifts, being that it's a full synthetic...
Running the same boat here with my Aries, looking into a pan drop, gasket change, and fluid change (AFAIK, 3 quarts top off), and yea for _MY_ application I can use ATF+4 _OR_ The "Dexron II" that is spec'd on the trans dipstick....
Some people say the ATF+4 will give "smoother" shifts, being that it's a full synthetic...
thats what i want to avoid is smoother softer shifts, i have been told a firm shift is better then a soft sloppy shift, soft sloppy shifts are harder on the transmission from my understanding, and the owner may very well of put the amalie +3 in it, cause thats what this specific transmission calls for, so maybe it does have +3 in it, but i can see them puttting global fluid in it and just putting on the recipt that they put whatever fluid the transmission calls for, i can see shops doing that. so i just dont know whats in it i plan on flushing it in about 3 to 5 thousand miles anyways as i was told to do by a very smart mechanic i know. he said you break them in with whatever fluid and run them bout 3 to 5 thousand miles then flush it and whatever you put in it after fluasshing it use that same fluid for the rest of its life and you will get alot of miles out of it. i was just wondering if anybody has used the oriellys global atf or wolfshead atf global and and wondering what they thought aboyut it. i have heard good things about wolfshead and would imagine oreillys global wouldnt be much different since they are both a global atf claimed to work in any transmission besides transmissions calling for type f. that type f seems to be a whole different animal. but it claims to work in virtually every other transmission and i dont think they could label it as global to work in anything and it no really be ok to work in anything or they would be getting sued every other day by people whos transmission burnt up from using the global fluid.
oh and the mechanic who told me to stick with the same fluid after flushing i, he didnt say after you flush it after break thru you never service it again lol, after reading what i wrote thats what it sounded like, he means after you flush it after break in pick a fluid and use that fluid same kind and brand thru out the life of the transmission servicing it every 15 to 20 thousand miles meaning new filter and another 5 to 7 qaurts depending on what the transmission is, i have an aftermarket transmission cooler an i been told having that alone will help it last longer too, i just dont want to have any more problems with this transmission ever again so im trying to make wise desicions, i know the +4 is chryslers recomendation but my transmission is not electronically controlled near as much as these new transmissions i have over drive that i push in and out of with a button other then that its pretty much like a 727
yes, I believe I read it on these forums in fact, about the ATF+4 and it being a "slippery shift", i.e.: you don't "feel" the softer shifts with the ATF+4...and yes, someone mentioned that being bad for the transmission.....but yea, I've been confused too, couple resources say anything after '87 used ATF+2 or greater....but then my dipstick calls specifically for "Dexron II" - as does the Haynes manual for the vehicle (don't have the original owner's manual).
I'd say, it's up to you what you want to run in it. I personally am sticking with Dexron II in mine
I'd say, it's up to you what you want to run in it. I personally am sticking with Dexron II in mine
ive had ppl tell me dxron111 is safe to use in the transmission i have, but i am not willing to do that, i want protection but i dont want slippery shifts, amalie still makes atf+3 but i can not find anywhere to buy it not even online, i have head great things about the wolfshead global atf and im thinking the oreilly global atf cant be much different then wolfshead or amsoils universal they all claim to work in the same transmissions, so im thinking when i do my flush ill run the oreilly global atf, but its still a few thousand miles away from being flushed, transmission only has bout 700 miles on it right now. once i use the oreilly global atf ill post its performance on here, but like i said it wll be awhile before i put any of it in.
The shop most likely put the Orielly global in your trans and told you they filled with +3 because +3 was what came in it from the factory. The Orielly will be fine as they state it meets +3 as Chrysler won't license +3 anymore.
The Wolf's Head will work, but has a lower operating viscosity than the Oriells gllobal so I would recommend staying with the Orielly ATF. Now, if they used the Orielly Dex/Merc, that would be OK but I would upgrade to the semi-synthetic global formula because it meets Mercon V specs.
The Wolf's Head will work, but has a lower operating viscosity than the Oriells gllobal so I would recommend staying with the Orielly ATF. Now, if they used the Orielly Dex/Merc, that would be OK but I would upgrade to the semi-synthetic global formula because it meets Mercon V specs.
hey treeputter, i have never seen a synthetic oreillys global atf?? the one i seen does not say weather it is synthetic or not but does say it works in +3 and +4 applications along with a handfull of others, and the shop could have put another kind of universal or global atf in it i dont know for sure. only reason i think it was oreilly global is cause when i went in there shop when they were showing me my burnt transmission i seen oreilly atf bottles and engine oil bottles everywhere in there. when i do my flush i think im going to wait till 4 or 5 thousand miles and ill flush it out and put oreillys global in it, from what i have heard the oreilly global atf is the exact same thing as mobil 1's super atf just in different bottles parts guys at oreillys tell me all there oil is exxon oil, engine oil, gear oil, transmission fluid, and i believe them because ashland makes napa and car quest house brand oil i know that for a fact my uncle owned a napa store for 23 years and told me i was waisting my money to buy valvoline synpower engine oil because the napa brand synthetic was the exact same oil. have you personally had any expierence with the oreilly global atf? im just wondering if it will provide firmer shifts compared to the atf+4 fluid? i understand the newer 46re and 47re dodge transmissions having to have plus 4 because they are more electronically controlled and shift in and out of overdrive alot more often then my transmission, my transmission is a A-518 automatic with electronic over drive but i have my overdrive wired to a toggle switch because i switch engins and am now running a carbed engine not a fuel injected engine with a computer, so if im climbing a steep hill or towing something heavy i turn overdrive off i simpily use overdrive strictly for highway cruising and i dont even turn my over drive toggle switch on while driving around town and stuff so i dont see why i would absolutely have to have +$ i wouldnt mind the +4 but i have heard it brings real soft sloppy shifts and i dont want that at all but yet i want a fluid that can withstand the tempatures of cruising in overdrive at 80 miles an hour, the oreilly global states it works in transmissions rerquiring +3 and +4 so i feel safe giving it a try. everyone else that i have talked to that has switched to a universal or global fluid no matter what the brand is says there transmission has never shifted better before and they will never go back to whatever they were using before.
From what I've seen most if not all shops, even reputable ones, want to use "Universal ATF's" they buy in a barrel. It's a cost saving and convenience move more than anything IMO. And I imagine most times it will work, at least for a while.
My vehicle's get what they are spec'd for, there is a reason they are different types of ATF.
My vehicle's get what they are spec'd for, there is a reason they are different types of ATF.
- Status