At the same price which is the choice?

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M1 AFE 0w-20
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With the price being the same for these, is there any consensus of the BITOG brethren as to which is the better bang for the buck? I have used mostly the PP 5w-20 in the past without issue and one or two changes with regular M1 5w-20 but with the oil change due and the recent cold snap it got me thinking when I went to the store that maybe I should use one of the 0w products. There appears to be a lot of positive UOA's based on the 0W's and there are many supporters that beat the drum loudly on the M1 AFE as having a better add pack than even the EP. It does not seem that the PP 0w-20 has as much love.

So I thought I'd throw the question out and see what everyone thinks. 2007 Honda Pilot is the application, cold climate, 7,500mi OCI or 1 year as it sees a lot of short tripping and the fuel dilution can be an issue with these so I don't push it to 10k OCI's.

Any and all opinions appreciated.
 
I guess it depends on your intended use. If you are planning a longish OCI, then the EP might be a better choice. If you only do the OCI that the manufacturer recommends, maybe you might get a fraction of a percent more mileage with the AFE.

It is my personal preference to stay with Mobil 1, regardless. Nothing wrong with the PP, just lots of good experience with Mobil.
 
If you're willing to extend the oil change interval, go to the EP. It only costs ~10% more than AFE, but you can extend its use by 50% or more.
 
Originally Posted By: Pingeye2
M1 AFE 0w-20
M1 EP 0w-20
PP 0w-20

With the price being the same for these, is there any consensus of the BITOG brethren as to which is the better bang for the buck? I have used mostly the PP 5w-20 in the past without issue and one or two changes with regular M1 5w-20 but with the oil change due and the recent cold snap it got me thinking when I went to the store that maybe I should use one of the 0w products. There appears to be a lot of positive UOA's based on the 0W's and there are many supporters that beat the drum loudly on the M1 AFE as having a better add pack than even the EP. It does not seem that the PP 0w-20 has as much love.

So I thought I'd throw the question out and see what everyone thinks. 2007 Honda Pilot is the application, cold climate, 7,500mi OCI or 1 year as it sees a lot of short tripping and the fuel dilution can be an issue with these so I don't push it to 10k OCI's.

Any and all opinions appreciated.


Op,
pls don't fool yourself with extended OCI, honda v6s are known to cause fuel dilution.

why not use your butt dyno and buy one of each and try them with reasonable OCI?

I use any major brand syn in my honda/toyota v6 with 3k- 5k max OCI (very short drives most of the time and LOTS of idle time)
 
Originally Posted By: Pingeye2
M1 AFE 0w-20
M1 EP 0w-20
PP 0w-20


I'm on the AFE bandwagon, with factory OLM OCI (up to 10K on my Focus). However, those are all great oils. You can't go wrong with any of them.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
If you're willing to extend the oil change interval, go to the EP. It only costs ~10% more than AFE, but you can extend its use by 50% or more.


The AFE and the EP are exactly the same price, hence the question. Seems like the EP is getting more votes.

Thanks for your input.
 
Originally Posted By: deven
M1 EP 0w20. Probably has the highest amount of PAO basestock.


Somewhere on here, there was a discussion that the AFE actually had something better in the add pack and it actually seemed to be resulting in better UOA's than the EP but I'll be danged if I can locate that thread. That is partially why I asked the question. In my application with my OCI regimen it probably won't make any significant difference.
 
AFE has more Group III oil in its blend, which is a slightly better carrier of additives than EP with more Group IV or V (than AFE).

Personally, I prefer EP and don't worry about it. EP is superior to AFE and Pennzoil's PP referenced in the opening post.
 
Close your eyes and pick one.
Any one of the three would be fine for your use with the OCIs you're running.
Which is best?
Who really knows.
There are some UOAs of 10K+ drains of each and all of them look good.
M1 EP does not appear to be a 15K oil in at least some applications, so it may not have any more long drain potential than PP or AFE.
Out of the three, if I had to pick one, I'd probably go with AFE.
If low temperature performace is your goal, AFE is it.
If I could get a deal on any one of these oils, then that would be my pick.
Use any one with confidence.
The differences are a matter of degree, nothing dramatic.
 
Originally Posted By: 147_Grain
AFE has more Group III oil in its blend, which is a slightly better carrier of additives than EP with more Group IV or V (than AFE).

Personally, I prefer EP and don't worry about it. EP is superior to AFE and Pennzoil's PP referenced in the opening post.


Don't forget all M1 oils also have PAO and esters in the base stock. I use 0-20 AFE and have for several years and if EP is better I'm not sure how. AFE keeps engines very clean, holds up well in extreme hot temps, and flows quite well in very cold temps. Also AFE has a 10K warranty but several here run much longer OCIs than that.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Out of the three, if I had to pick one, I'd probably go with AFE.
If low temperature performace is your goal, AFE is it.
If I could get a deal on any one of these oils, then that would be my pick.
Use any one with confidence.
The differences are a matter of degree, nothing dramatic.

Pretty much where my analysis landed too but I wanted to throw it out to the BITOG community. Thanks for your input.
 
Originally Posted By: Pingeye2
Originally Posted By: deven
M1 EP 0w20. Probably has the highest amount of PAO basestock.


Somewhere on here, there was a discussion that the AFE actually had something better in the add pack and it actually seemed to be resulting in better UOA's than the EP but I'll be danged if I can locate that thread. That is partially why I asked the question. In my application with my OCI regimen it probably won't make any significant difference.

The AFE should have a lower HTHS since its a fuel conserving oil. To me thats a big deal because in my opinion the higher t g e HTHS the stronger the film strength.
 
I'd give the edge to EP since it has twice as much PAO as AFE (which is still a fine product and no slouch).
 
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