At $5,267 per person, U.S. citizens pay most in world for medical care

[goodoleboy]

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Originally posted by airbus:
Salaries are too high in the health care profession.

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I have to disagree My wife and I are healthcare workers. We have some very intensive training to go through. She is a nurse but it takes almost 3 years of school in some of the hardest classes you can imagine. Not alot of people make it into nursing school becuase they cant meet the pre requisites to get in.
I must take over 200 hours of non-paid CEU thats over 1 month of work not paid.
In addition to other certs I must keep up with.

I dont know any nurse techs making $20 an hour. the nurses here barely make $20 and LPN makes about $12.

 

[Al]

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Originally posted by goodoleboy:

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Originally posted by airbus:
Salaries are too high in the health care profession.

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I have to disagree

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They are too high when we compare them to typicallow paying job of 10 to 15 dollars an hour. But a highly trained professional commands the salaries they are getting. My daughter is a nursing Director. Yea..she makes 60K/year but she has taken more courses than imaginable and also has her masters.

Look at our Pa. State representatives. They just voted themselves a 16.5 percent pay increase in violation of the State constitution. AND they are already getting a 5% cost of living increase, and housing expenses, and car expenses, and travel expenses, and expense accounts. My Gawd..they don't even need a salary period...Now that's ridiculous.

 

[JHZR2]

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Originally posted by goodoleboy:

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Originally posted by airbus:
Salaries are too high in the health care profession.

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I have to disagree My wife and I are healthcare workers. We have some very intensive training to go through. She is a nurse but it takes almost 3 years of school in some of the hardest classes you can imagine. Not alot of people make it into nursing school becuase they cant meet the pre requisites to get in.
I must take over 200 hours of non-paid CEU thats over 1 month of work not paid.
In addition to other certs I must keep up with.

I dont know any nurse techs making $20 an hour. the nurses here barely make $20 and LPN makes about $12.

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goodoleboy, I have to agree with you... but, youll get this argument (salaries too high, overpaid) in any professional line of work. Medicine, engineering,and likely a few others, where a LARGE deal of knowledge, lots of education, and imprtant thought processes are involved. While the too high salaries case may be true for MDs, and even worse for things like CEOs, unfortunately, many professionals in many lines of work who need advanced degrees, continuing education, etc. will get ****ed on for thinking we're superior or some other bag of crap simply because we did work our butts off education-wise and want a decent salary. Ill be scolded by the barely HS diploma'd person for thinking that I might know a lot about something, while they really dont realize that a lot of us have way more in common with the burger flipper at mcdonalds than with the fancy, multimillionaire crowd.

I am an advanced degree engineer, working for the Navy. My GF is going through three years of school to get her doctorate in physical therapy. Will we ever be super rich or well paid on order with MDs and CEOs? Certainly not.

Unfortunately the world likes to point-blame problems on something, when IMO in reality, it is due to a large number of problems that multiply off of one another in terms of scope and effect, causing things to go down the tubes. Typically without MAJOR radical change, nothing will be accomplished. This change may be from regulation, from universal care, or it may be from the medical system crashing apart or imploding on itself. Only time will tell.

JMH

 

[MolaKule]

The fair tax would be a major change and still fund needed programs.

Tort Law is another major item in need of change.

[ July 18, 2005, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]

 

[haley10]

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Originally posted by MolaKule:
The fair tax would be a major change and still fund needed programs.

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Don't understand. Fair tax?

 

[Al]

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Originally posted by haley10:

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Originally posted by MolaKule:
The fair tax would be a major change and still fund needed programs.

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Don't understand. Fair tax?

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Makes to much sense..that's why it won't happen.

Fair tax is a consumption tax..you pay a national sales tax on what you buy. Thats it. Again it eliminates to much waste, graft and corruption..so it won't ever happen.

 

[JHZR2]

If there was a "fair tax", Id buy so little, it would automatically make me save lots more $$$ than I already do, just because I can save money by not buying, on top of the use tax and income taxes I wouldnt be paying... I am just that cheap and miserly...

Wait, that means all the system milkers would be paying into the system that supports them to buy the 22's and bling for their ride...

Current sales tax laws in all the states that I shop in (NJ, PA and DE where there is 0% sales tax anyway) don't tax necessary goods like food and most clothing. do you think it would be sustainable without taxing those goods that EVERYBODY HAS TO buy?

#2 Do you think the average consumer would be able to deal with the fact that everything is that much more expensive due to the tax levied on it? A step increase in all prices, even if income tax was abolished, would make many get very upset, i think... Its all about price perception and out of pocket cost in the here and now, as theyre standing in the (extremely long and annoying) line at wal-mart, no?

JMH

 

[Gary Allan]

I liked it when some "reformist" suggested an electronic fund transfer tax. Naturally, as with all other taxes, it favored those who transfer the most money. The biggest burden would be the PayPal clown buying a $10 item on ebay ..or buying gas.

 

[tweeker43]

new york health care fraud

the national sales tax would lead to a huge black market for everything, and not much else.

 

[Gary Allan]

There is surely a wage that is comenserate with training and ability. There are, however, limits. Much like our public educators, their compensation is blind to the society's ability to sustain the cost.

At some point you too, as well as doctors and surgeons, will have to undergo a "techincal correction" just like everyone else.