And, we also don't know if MMO or other cleaners would have broken the chunks down better or not.
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Originally Posted By: sciphi
So, in conclusion, ARX hastened the onset of a problem that was waiting to happen, ie, the sludge getting trapped in this itty-bitty little filter?
[/quote]IMO, yes... And it also proved that ARX works for all those naysayers out there even if it didn't dissolve it.
For all we know it's chunks of carbon and not oily-gel type of gunk.
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IMO if anything it shows ARX does not work as advertised.
The chunks were hard and brittle, it definitely appear to be carbon.
ARX did loosen what appears to be carbon but the soft deposits in the head area remain, this is opposite from what ARX advertises it is supposed to do which is to remove sludge deposits.
IMO if these deposits were liquefied there may be less chance of this happening, ARX is supposed to remove deposits slowly and safely liquefying them. While it did apparently had an effect on carbon it did not do what it is supposed to, which is clean the engine.
I remain a 100% naysayer with this product. Another disappointment.
While it may work on carbon deposits there are other products that work better on these.
So, in conclusion, ARX hastened the onset of a problem that was waiting to happen, ie, the sludge getting trapped in this itty-bitty little filter?
[/quote]IMO, yes... And it also proved that ARX works for all those naysayers out there even if it didn't dissolve it.
For all we know it's chunks of carbon and not oily-gel type of gunk.
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IMO if anything it shows ARX does not work as advertised.
The chunks were hard and brittle, it definitely appear to be carbon.
ARX did loosen what appears to be carbon but the soft deposits in the head area remain, this is opposite from what ARX advertises it is supposed to do which is to remove sludge deposits.
IMO if these deposits were liquefied there may be less chance of this happening, ARX is supposed to remove deposits slowly and safely liquefying them. While it did apparently had an effect on carbon it did not do what it is supposed to, which is clean the engine.
I remain a 100% naysayer with this product. Another disappointment.
While it may work on carbon deposits there are other products that work better on these.
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
And, we also don't know if MMO or other cleaners would have broken the chunks down better or not.
In this example we will never know. I've never seen chunks with MMO, and have seen a lot of clean engines as a result of its use.
And, we also don't know if MMO or other cleaners would have broken the chunks down better or not.
In this example we will never know. I've never seen chunks with MMO, and have seen a lot of clean engines as a result of its use.
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Originally Posted By: rslifkin
And, we also don't know if MMO or other cleaners would have broken the chunks down better or not.
In this example we will never know. I've never seen chunks with MMO, and have seen a lot of clean engines as a result of its use.
Exactly! Results from any other product is pure speculation,i also have never seen chunks from MMO and also have seen clean engines from running it.
No point into turning this into a MMO vs ARX thead,this is just something that happened and i hope folks with these engines are informed.
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
And, we also don't know if MMO or other cleaners would have broken the chunks down better or not.
In this example we will never know. I've never seen chunks with MMO, and have seen a lot of clean engines as a result of its use.
Exactly! Results from any other product is pure speculation,i also have never seen chunks from MMO and also have seen clean engines from running it.
No point into turning this into a MMO vs ARX thead,this is just something that happened and i hope folks with these engines are informed.
Originally Posted By: Trav
i also have never seen chunks from MMO and also have seen clean engines from running it.
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No point into turning this into a MMO vs ARX thead,this is just something that happened and i hope folks with these engines are informed.
This Thread should be about arx, meaning what it can or cannot do, and maybe even recommending other oil additives, I believe in Travs original post he said something about bringing his friend some KREEN to try in his engine.
i also have never seen chunks from MMO and also have seen clean engines from running it.
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No point into turning this into a MMO vs ARX thead,this is just something that happened and i hope folks with these engines are informed.
This Thread should be about arx, meaning what it can or cannot do, and maybe even recommending other oil additives, I believe in Travs original post he said something about bringing his friend some KREEN to try in his engine.
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I'm breaking a personal promise to myself here ..but ..
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Truth is we'll never know now what really happened in your case.
Not at all. We KNOW that the identical stuff that appeared with MMO FIRST, was perfectly normal and harmless ..and we also KNOW that the identical particle build up with Auto-Rx AFTER was absolutely destructive ..and that if it didn't grenade the engine, it was shear dumb random luck.
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Truth is we'll never know now what really happened in your case.
Not at all. We KNOW that the identical stuff that appeared with MMO FIRST, was perfectly normal and harmless ..and we also KNOW that the identical particle build up with Auto-Rx AFTER was absolutely destructive ..and that if it didn't grenade the engine, it was shear dumb random luck.
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I'm breaking a personal promise to myself here ..but ..
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Truth is we'll never know now what really happened in your case.
Not at all. We KNOW that the identical stuff that appeared with MMO FIRST, was perfectly normal and harmless ..and we also KNOW that the identical particle build up with Auto-Rx AFTER was absolutely destructive ..and that if it didn't grenade the engine, it was shear dumb random luck.
What gives you the idea that MMO was ever in this engine?
It wasn't! If MMO had done this the post would be about the negative effect of MMO in this particular application.
I'm breaking a personal promise to myself here ..but ..
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Truth is we'll never know now what really happened in your case.
Not at all. We KNOW that the identical stuff that appeared with MMO FIRST, was perfectly normal and harmless ..and we also KNOW that the identical particle build up with Auto-Rx AFTER was absolutely destructive ..and that if it didn't grenade the engine, it was shear dumb random luck.
What gives you the idea that MMO was ever in this engine?
It wasn't! If MMO had done this the post would be about the negative effect of MMO in this particular application.
Initially I was a little confused, the pictures are Cronk's. I asked a question to him about MMO he said he used it for 500 miles prior to A-Rx. In a dirty application using MMO for 500 miles is not giving it a chance to do much of anything. Once again since it was changed out early we won't know how it would have played out in his application either.
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What gives you the idea that MMO was ever in this engine?
Follow where the thread went. It was somewhat
What gives you the idea that MMO was ever in this engine?
Follow where the thread went. It was somewhat
The ARX did not dislodge those solid fragments. MMO would be a more likely culprit. ARX chemistry just doesn't work that way.
Although, IMO, neither ARX nor MMO would do that. If those chunks were as hard as described, that comes from a physical process, not chemical. No chemical is going to break the bond that holds them to the engine and not affect the rest of the bonds making those fragments solid and rigid.
Maybe someone tried to do a little scraping first before the cleaning and wasn't too careful. Or maybe there were vibrations or something solid got into the oil. Who knows.
Although, IMO, neither ARX nor MMO would do that. If those chunks were as hard as described, that comes from a physical process, not chemical. No chemical is going to break the bond that holds them to the engine and not affect the rest of the bonds making those fragments solid and rigid.
Maybe someone tried to do a little scraping first before the cleaning and wasn't too careful. Or maybe there were vibrations or something solid got into the oil. Who knows.
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You can get a grit from Auto-Rx. It obviously doesn't get to the filter in that shape/configuration after passing through the pickup strainer and passing through the oil pump gears. It "collects" there.
I have only ever seen ARX produce small, soft particles/chunks. I have never seen it produce any particles that would be described as hard/rigid. The hard stuff ARX cleans emulsifies and softens before it is carried away in all the cars I have used it in.
It's possible that these chunks of carbon were embedded in the sludge and other gunk. Then, as the sludge was dissolved away, these were let loose to float around.
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
It's possible that these chunks of carbon were embedded in the sludge and other gunk. Then, as the sludge was dissolved away, these were let loose to float around.
I think this is what has been happening for me.
These particles seem to form form oil "coking".
In my case the oil drain holes in the heads of my engine were partially clogged, the oil pooled up and sat on the hot cyl head. It almost looked like it was burnt on. The AutoRx seems to be cleaning the gunk that was holding these particles in place.
It's possible that these chunks of carbon were embedded in the sludge and other gunk. Then, as the sludge was dissolved away, these were let loose to float around.
I think this is what has been happening for me.
These particles seem to form form oil "coking".
In my case the oil drain holes in the heads of my engine were partially clogged, the oil pooled up and sat on the hot cyl head. It almost looked like it was burnt on. The AutoRx seems to be cleaning the gunk that was holding these particles in place.
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I'll have a filter to show soon. 2,200kms into a clean with 2 1/2 bottles (30 ozs) RX in 5 quarts sump. Not something anybody has done before, and probably shouldn't.
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I'll have a filter to show soon. 2,200kms into a clean with 2 1/2 bottles (30 ozs) RX in 5 quarts sump. Not something anybody has done before, and probably shouldn't.
Kudos for experimenting! I'll be interested to hear how that pans out.
I'll have a filter to show soon. 2,200kms into a clean with 2 1/2 bottles (30 ozs) RX in 5 quarts sump. Not something anybody has done before, and probably shouldn't.
Kudos for experimenting! I'll be interested to hear how that pans out.
Big changes already. Not sure when to pull the filter as I don't know how many kms it had done before I dosed it (just purchased).
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