I'm struggling to see how letting a few bikes squirt off the front at lights will make any noticeable difference in congestion and question the safety aspect of it but we're going to find out. It's going to trigger a "cutting line" reaction in some drivers for sure. Where I live it won't make any difference but maybe our Phoenitican members will benefit.
Guess if you grew up with it you no longer think of it as unexpected.
Should be fined for littering.
If it becomes a law of the roads, then it's all driver's responsibility to know the laws, and act accordingly.
I don’t think that would constitute as littering. Now, tossing a foam coffee cup out on the highway, that would be littering.
True, but law or not, these motorcycle riders need to look out for themselves and not put themselves in harms way because even though the law may protect them if one of them slams into someone’s car door, I myself wouldn’t want to be the one to do that if I was on a bike because bills paid or not, I have this thing about pain and being held up in a hospital bed but that’s just me.
I never said motorcyclists should trust anyone else on the road - obviously not. But all motorists should know the laws and act accordingly. That includes people in cars that live where motorcycles can split lanes. I've been riding for over 45 years on the roads, and since day 1 I have never trusted anyone on the roads. That goes for when I drive 4-wheeled vehicles too.
I'd bet most people who drive in California and know that motorcycle can legally lane spit know what to expect. If not, then maybe they shouldn't have a drivers license. But if motorcyclists (or any vehicle for that matter) does something against the law, then that move may not be "expected". Of course, one way to stay safe on the road is to always expect the unexpected. Riding a motorcycle will hone those skills pretty fast and well.
I know you didn’t and I wasn’t trying to imply that you did, I was just saying that yes, the other traffic needs to be aware of the laws but in other words, I was just saying the riders need not to expect the car traffic to know that especially when it’s out of state traffic that come from a state that doesn’t allow that kind of riding.
You’re right but kind of in conjunction to my other post, I wouldn’t be interested in putting my self in harms way just despite the fact that the law allows me to ride like a jerk and that the rest of the car traffic knows I’m allowed to ride as such because supporting law or not, I would be the one to pay the price either being hurt really bad or dead.
No good motorcycle rider expects anyone else on the road to know the laws, nor to obey them and drive like they actually know what's going on around them. That's like the first law of motorcycle riding.
Again ... people who ride motorcycles need to learn and know the potential dangers and ride appropriately ... even it it's riding within the law, like lane splitting. Just because it's legal doesn't mean they have to do it. If someone doesn't feel comfortable riding in traffic, the maybe they shouldn't ride motorcycles. Simple as that.
Look, not trying to argue but there are those that obviously don’t live by that logic. They’re usually the ones who come screaming down between two moving lanes and then all the sudden wonder why their bike’s trashed and they got a bad case of road rash because they expected the person who thought they properly went to change lanes and just simply didn’t see the rider because he made it next to impossible to be seen.
Again…. I understand and completely agree with what you said. Mather of fact, my post that you quoted pretty much says the same thing yours above does.
If some riders don't "live by that logic" there is nothing I nor anyone else can do about it. They will live and learn, or die ... simple as that. I've known a couple of guys who got smoked from doing things they shouldn't have been doing. Do your part and look out for other people on the road ... for your own sake and others.
