Just how good is the ST & ST-HM oils really? In the dino flavor, is it on the lower end or is it a real competitor to the more expensive oils for "normal" OCI's??? I know some claim good UOA with it, so if it is that good, then why would anyone ever want to run a more expensive dino oil (or even in the synthetic flavor)if the Supertech is as good as people say for less money???
Are you sure about SUPERTECH???
- Thread starter FastSUV
- Start date
- Status
SuperTech is not that great in any flavor it never has been. Their was one guy on here years ago and I am sure he isstill on here that seemed to think that Super Tech had some "Uber Calcium" additive but all his hot air never amounted to anything other then that just hype and hot air! No oil can be great when it is built to an every tightening price point. Walmart is always squeezing it's suppliers to offer things cheaper not better.
I actualy picked some up the other day. Someone had miss priced it at $2.77 a quart for the synthetic so I bought what I had on me in cash for the wifes car. Since here car leaks a little I do not but anything that is costly. If I was going to run it in my car I would have to sweeten this oil a lot to make it usable to my standards! It's base stocks used to have oxidation resistance and since the additive package is so lean the additives could not help either so in anything that is not gentle on oil SuperTech was usually spent in 3000-5000 miles which is pathetic.
WPP is not using the most advanced GIII base stocks that money can buy......Even their G-II and lower tend to be the lower quality ones based on UOA information we have seen and the white papers for the oil.You can add more additives to it to make it a better but in the end you can not do much to change the base stock's used in their Price Point oil and that is the real problem.
I actualy picked some up the other day. Someone had miss priced it at $2.77 a quart for the synthetic so I bought what I had on me in cash for the wifes car. Since here car leaks a little I do not but anything that is costly. If I was going to run it in my car I would have to sweeten this oil a lot to make it usable to my standards! It's base stocks used to have oxidation resistance and since the additive package is so lean the additives could not help either so in anything that is not gentle on oil SuperTech was usually spent in 3000-5000 miles which is pathetic.
WPP is not using the most advanced GIII base stocks that money can buy......Even their G-II and lower tend to be the lower quality ones based on UOA information we have seen and the white papers for the oil.You can add more additives to it to make it a better but in the end you can not do much to change the base stock's used in their Price Point oil and that is the real problem.
I guess it depends on the vehicle its in. Some are very easy on oil by nature. And others are harsh on it. My last oil change was with Super Tech for 5000 miles. The car sounded good and the oil was relativly clean after that haul. I like to try different oils anyway. But I wouldn't have any issue using the Super Tech brand again. Especially if it went on a deep discount sale. There is a VOA on here of the 5w20, and it looks to have an very good additive package.
"Are you sure about SUPERTECH???"
No, not at all.
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
No oil can be great when it is built to an every tightening price point. Walmart is always squeezing it's suppliers to offer things cheaper not better.
That is my thought as well. I'd rather spend a few cents more on a solid name brand oil like Pennzoil, Havoline, Valvoline, Mobil, etc. where reputation and perception actually matters.
No, not at all.
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
No oil can be great when it is built to an every tightening price point. Walmart is always squeezing it's suppliers to offer things cheaper not better.
That is my thought as well. I'd rather spend a few cents more on a solid name brand oil like Pennzoil, Havoline, Valvoline, Mobil, etc. where reputation and perception actually matters.
I'm not sure about SuperTech. But, neither am I sure about any of the other oils that compete with it. Yes, Walmart is trying to make a buck. But so is Shell, ExxonMobil, Chevron.... I'm sure they all cut corners on a regular basis.
IMO, base oils and additives are pretty much commodities and there isn't much practical difference between products in a given price range.
I think Supertech is fine and I don't hesitate to use it.
IMO, base oils and additives are pretty much commodities and there isn't much practical difference between products in a given price range.
I think Supertech is fine and I don't hesitate to use it.
JHZR2
Staff member
nope, not sure. Seems that the dex vi may use a standardized add pack... but beyond that I have no trust in a store product like that.
A recent VOA on the WPP 5W-20 looked darned good.
Super Tech isn't going to be 'right up there' with any of the higher dollar oils, but it seems to always return normal UOA's. It just can't go the long haul like higher quality oils. Same can be said for most all of the cheaper oils.. their TBN drops quicker than a quality oil.
Super Tech in Canada is fine stuff, very fine.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
"Are you sure about SUPERTECH???"
No, not at all.
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
No oil can be great when it is built to an every tightening price point. Walmart is always squeezing it's suppliers to offer things cheaper not better.
That is my thought as well. I'd rather spend a few cents more on a solid name brand oil like Pennzoil, Havoline, Valvoline, Mobil, etc. where reputation and perception actually matters.
The few cents more you pay for name brand oil goes to advertisement. Wal-Mart does not advertise their products like the major oil companies. The reason why I don't buy Wal-Mart oil is because I can get Name Brand Synthetic (Q-Horsepower, Penzzoil Platinum, and Valvoline Synpower) for $1.00 a quart with a rebate.
"Are you sure about SUPERTECH???"
No, not at all.
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
No oil can be great when it is built to an every tightening price point. Walmart is always squeezing it's suppliers to offer things cheaper not better.
That is my thought as well. I'd rather spend a few cents more on a solid name brand oil like Pennzoil, Havoline, Valvoline, Mobil, etc. where reputation and perception actually matters.
The few cents more you pay for name brand oil goes to advertisement. Wal-Mart does not advertise their products like the major oil companies. The reason why I don't buy Wal-Mart oil is because I can get Name Brand Synthetic (Q-Horsepower, Penzzoil Platinum, and Valvoline Synpower) for $1.00 a quart with a rebate.
How a re sounds on a given oil is meaningless! The color of the oil is not much better of an indicator. It is true that some engines are very gentle on the oil but that does not change the fact that Super Tech is a cheaply engineered lubricant that is a false economy because you are not getting anything you are not paying for if anything you are getting less then what you are paying for.In an old better getting 3000-5000 mile oil changes that is not being groomed to be part of the family for the next 17 years then go for it! Ecconomy in my mind is when you get more then what you are paying for ie added value. Since Super Tech is usually spent by 5000 miles inmost applications sometimes sooner it is not in my mind a decent oil. I do not change myoil by milage I change it every 6 months and on occassion Ihave gotten intothe 16K mile range in a 6 month time frame on other occassions I might only go 3000 miles in 6 months. I need an oil that can handle what ever I toss at it for a 6 month time frame. In the not to distant future I am going to go to 12 month oil change interval and again something like Super Tech Synthetic can not cut the mustard so it would be a complete waste for me to use it. I think any synthetic that cannot last at least 15K miles is a waste of the marketing term "synthetic" you can by a decent SM 5w30 and get 5000-7500 miles so what is the point of paying for a "synthetic" that can not dublicate the performance of a name brand SM dino 5W30????
The OP seems to be primarily asking about the dino flavor.
A while back (may 1 1/2 yrs ago) I spent some time going thru a LOT of ST UOAs - just curious as to how one of the cheapest oils (w/ latest certs.) was "performing" (in quotes since UOAs don't tell the whole story). The UOAs were excellent. Very low wear, etc.
Dino ST at
I agree however, I wouldn't pay for a synth that doesn't at least have an argument for making it to 15k - thus I don't use ST Synth.
A while back (may 1 1/2 yrs ago) I spent some time going thru a LOT of ST UOAs - just curious as to how one of the cheapest oils (w/ latest certs.) was "performing" (in quotes since UOAs don't tell the whole story). The UOAs were excellent. Very low wear, etc.
Dino ST at
I agree however, I wouldn't pay for a synth that doesn't at least have an argument for making it to 15k - thus I don't use ST Synth.
- Joined
- Sep 28, 2002
- Messages
- 39,798
Not all ILSAC GF4 oils are created equal.
Originally Posted By: Loobed
The few cents more you pay for name brand oil goes to advertisement. Wal-Mart does not advertise their products like the major oil companies. The reason why I don't buy Wal-Mart oil is because I can get Name Brand Synthetic (Q-Horsepower, Penzzoil Platinum, and Valvoline Synpower) for $1.00 a quart with a rebate.
Nah, the few cents more you pay goes towards a product that wasn't squeezed by everything it's worth by Wal-Mart. I've seen how Wal-Mart pressures suppliers, I'll pass on their house brand stuff. I'd feel much better with a Napa house brand, personally.
The few cents more you pay for name brand oil goes to advertisement. Wal-Mart does not advertise their products like the major oil companies. The reason why I don't buy Wal-Mart oil is because I can get Name Brand Synthetic (Q-Horsepower, Penzzoil Platinum, and Valvoline Synpower) for $1.00 a quart with a rebate.
Nah, the few cents more you pay goes towards a product that wasn't squeezed by everything it's worth by Wal-Mart. I've seen how Wal-Mart pressures suppliers, I'll pass on their house brand stuff. I'd feel much better with a Napa house brand, personally.
i have been using super tech syn oil for years.its great buy at 5 qt jugs.also filters are real good too.
at our forum we tested oils/oil filters,some good reading there too.
www.hondashadow.net
at our forum we tested oils/oil filters,some good reading there too.
www.hondashadow.net
Originally Posted By: ericthepig
The OP seems to be primarily asking about the dino flavor.
A while back (may 1 1/2 yrs ago) I spent some time going thru a LOT of ST UOAs - just curious as to how one of the cheapest oils (w/ latest certs.) was "performing" (in quotes since UOAs don't tell the whole story). The UOAs were excellent. Very low wear, etc.
Dino ST at
I agree however, I wouldn't pay for a synth that doesn't at least have an argument for making it to 15k - thus I don't use ST Synth.
I would be fine using it as well. I ran it in our old Neon with no issues at all.(dino)
But it is so much easier to find good deals elsewhere...
I hear the both oils are going to get a price drop soon.....
The OP seems to be primarily asking about the dino flavor.
A while back (may 1 1/2 yrs ago) I spent some time going thru a LOT of ST UOAs - just curious as to how one of the cheapest oils (w/ latest certs.) was "performing" (in quotes since UOAs don't tell the whole story). The UOAs were excellent. Very low wear, etc.
Dino ST at
I agree however, I wouldn't pay for a synth that doesn't at least have an argument for making it to 15k - thus I don't use ST Synth.
I would be fine using it as well. I ran it in our old Neon with no issues at all.(dino)
But it is so much easier to find good deals elsewhere...
I hear the both oils are going to get a price drop soon.....
It meetsw ILSAC GF4 standards. THose are pretty good standards. It should have no issues meeting the manufactureres requiorements for OCI nor will it result in shorter vrhicle life. Most of us feel better with name brands. the vehicle dosn't care what bname is on the product poured into the crankcase.. the owneres mind is the issue.
If they meet the spec they meet the spec. Supertech synthetic seems to be agreat oil.
If they meet the spec they meet the spec. Supertech synthetic seems to be agreat oil.
Last edited:
But do they consistently meet the spec? WPP has been slapped for selling out of spec products under the Super Tech brand a couple times now.
Wal-Mart's standard MO is going to encourage cutting corners.
And as already stated, not all GF-4 oils are created equal.
Wal-Mart's standard MO is going to encourage cutting corners.
And as already stated, not all GF-4 oils are created equal.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
