Are we on the path to become dumber?

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This is an article I got from the Health Care Advisory Board today. it addresses an issue I have thought about in the past.

Memory block: Internet use affects how people retain information
07/15/2011

The widespread use of Internet searches and online databases has influenced how individuals retain information, according to a new study in Science that suggests that people increasingly rely on their computers as an "external memory."

For the study, Harvard University researchers and colleagues conducted four separate memory experiments to determine whether people were more likely to remember data that is widely available on the Internet. For example, in one experiment, subjects were asked to type 40 pieces of trivia into a search engine. Half of the participants believed the computer would retain the search information, while the other half believed their search data would be erased.

The findings showed that the participants were more likely to recall information if they thought they could not find it later. "Participants did not make the effort to remember when they thought they could later look up the trivia statement they had read," according to the authors.

Another experiment examined transactive memory, in which individuals depend on other people and reference material to retain information. For the experiment, participants were asked to remember a trivia statement and where it was saved on a computer. The results showed that people were more likely to remember where they stored the information than the information itself.

"We are becoming symbiotic with our computer tools, growing into interconnected systems," the authors wrote, adding, "We have become dependent on them to the same degree we are on all the knowledge we gain from our friends and coworkers—and lose if they are out of touch" (Cohen, New York Times, 7/14; Lopatto, Bloomberg, 7/14).
 
I believe it. My ability to retain information has gone downhill over the years. I just wasn't sure if it was the result of extensive search engine use or just me getting older.

I find that I've relegated my brain duties to learning where to find information rather than trying to remember the information itself.
 
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not just the internet either; cell phones started this. and it's not just not remembering numbers, we never knew them in the 1st place! we just hit save when someone calls us and we never look at the number!
 
Someone once asked Albert Einstein for his phone number. Mr. Einstein pulled a piece of paper out of his pocket and recited the number to him.

When asked "Why don't you memorize it?"

Mr. Einstein replied "I'd rather not memorize anything I can look up."

I know people who are completely fluent in 5 languages, yet cannot hold a conversation in any of them. I know people who are math and engineering savants, yet are afraid to go out and meet other people in a social setting.
The older I get and the more people I meet the more I have learned that the human mind may have a capacity, and anything over that capacity is lost, or takes place of something that is already there.

It is concerning that we are beginning to think differently.
However, it can be a good thing.
Take textbooks and paper. I now have several gigabytes of data on my phone. Each gigabyte is equal to the text in the Library of Congress.
I will never be able to read all the volumes of literature in the Library of Congress, but why would I if I can search through it (in it's entirety) and find what I need?

I still think best when I write something down. I think it is something to how I was originally taught in school. However, my workplace is more and more paperless. Everything i do is digital. Everything I write is on a computer. The only paper I see is what I have for notes during meetings. And even those are over the phone while I take notes in a text document.

Think of our kids. A single text book is $100. An E-reader is about $180 with all the bells and whistles.
Do you expect public schools not to take notice that a software license for a book can be held indefinitely and it is cheaper to replace that than a real book?
A single e-reader can last for 4+ years. A book lasts for that one subject in that one year, and perhaps for that one semester.

If these children are brought up without paper and pencil. Will they have the same way of thinking, the same way of note taking, that I do? That we do?

Although we are thinking differently. It may not be a bad thing. Yes Humans waste time (facebook), but we always have (watercooler).
Just some food for thought.
 
O look a Starbucks. Idiocracy lives.

I memorize things important to work and general living. Anything that isn't important to me gets sent to the mental round file cabinet.
 
Devo was right.

Mankind continues to regress. We are de-evolving
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I'm the opposite. I know where to go for info, but once I "see" it, I don't need to go back. While a photographic memory can be a real benefit at times, there are some "pictures" I wish I could erase. I believe as a whole, we are not only getting dumber, we are fast approaching Dumb and Dumber...
I think there should be a study that looks into ADD and video games. I believe there is a connection between the instant "move a joystick and something happens", and a short attention span.
 
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It depends on the person. In the old days education and technologies are reserved for the brightest and wealthiest. Then they get commoditized and everyone gets to have it. So there's the impression that college students get dumber, high school students get dumber, school gets more relaxed, but in reality is the brightest of the same population percentage got brighter but you are including the not so bright one as well.

My dad always said the same about our generation until he started going back to school (high school and community college), and flat out collapsed on the homework and complexity, and how tough the works of even the not most challenging schools becomes, compare to his former education from the brightest school in the city.
 
Originally Posted By: SuperDave456

Think of our kids. A single text book is $100. An E-reader is about $180 with all the bells and whistles.
Do you expect public schools not to take notice that a software license for a book can be held indefinitely and it is cheaper to replace that than a real book?
A single e-reader can last for 4+ years. A book lasts for that one subject in that one year, and perhaps for that one semester.

Had to chime in on this. E-textbooks USED to be cheaper than paper. Not anymore, publishers are raising rates on them to the same levels as paper textbooks. Many of the e-textbooks also have expiration dates, so you can not keep e-textbooks indefinitely, like paper textbooks, and this trend is on the rise.
 
I HATE e-textbook. That's quite a bit coming from someone who work on tablet for a living.

textbook don't usually get stolen, or that'll be a good thing because students are actually studying. ebook cannot be passed from student to student and cannot be taken into final exam, physical books don't have games that can distract students, and no software bugs that cause it to crash, no battery to lose charges that student cannot study without, textbook can also be sold used (in university) when you are done but ebook cannot.

The only thing ebook is good about is the lighter weight, but i'm not sure if students need to bring all the textbook to school every day to justify that.
 
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An interesting article, and a worthwhile study. I don't, however, think that the results are some kind of referendum on the human race or modern life or any of that nonsense. We are using computers to become more efficient. Why would I remember trivia when I know that it will still be quickly easily found again, should I need it in the future? Instead of making myself retain something like that, I can move forward to my next question or problem.
 
Originally Posted By: mpvue
not just the internet either; cell phones started this. and it's not just not remembering numbers, we never knew them in the 1st place! we just hit save when someone calls us and we never look at the number!


Another problem with cellphones is that people don't need to prepare for meetings, or retain their content and briefings...just step out and annoy some poor schmuk who's supposed to instantly recall every briefing and conversation.

Read years ago that IQ had peaked (at not far off 130), and was declining. A psychologist jokingly correlated it to the invention of reality TV, losing the engagement of the viewer with plot and storyline.
 
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
An interesting article, and a worthwhile study. I don't, however, think that the results are some kind of referendum on the human race or modern life or any of that nonsense. We are using computers to become more efficient. Why would I remember trivia when I know that it will still be quickly easily found again, should I need it in the future? Instead of making myself retain something like that, I can move forward to my next question or problem.


I still remember the trivia (unless it's sports scores or league tables, which I couldn't care less about)...

Where I have a problem with the internet is when servers are down, and productivity drops to zero, as engineers who can look up whatever they need can't.

Still, it's teaching us the thought processes we'll need when we work out how to tap the global consciousness
 
Yes, I find very few people who can actually hold an educated conversation on anything.


Most just spout nonsense they read online, and confuse it for an actual education.
 
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To me when I think about people being dumber I tend to think about lack of independent and critical thinking, not so much about what anyone can recall, because it is true, you can always look it up again.

I have found that most folks today have little or no ability to think critically. It's pretty shocking and I'm not really THAT old. I've noticed this change over the past couple of decades or so.
 
Originally Posted By: Viggen

I have found that most folks today have little or no ability to think critically. It's pretty shocking and I'm not really THAT old. I've noticed this change over the past couple of decades or so.


It's amusing when discussing politics, and makes it easy for me to shoot holes in 95% of the arguments pointed my way.

The ability to retain modest trivia, like Congressional Budget Office facts and forecasts, can be later manipulated by the alpha arguer to suit his needs. Yeah an internet argument can include irrefutable links, but a face to face one is won by the guy who can look stuff up in his head the fastest.
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I know some dull people. They truly do not think critically. I know the inputs and outputs of their thought processes-- IOW, I know "all the facts"-- but the results seem to shock them. Some brain teasers I mull over when I'm otherwise unoccupied, some stuff needs more "CPU cycles" than I can give it all at once. These dullards never mull anything over, measure once, cut twice.
 
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