anyone try the new graphene sprays?
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I've been thinking about trying it on my daily driver.
No interest at the moment.
All videos that you see on YouTube are sponsored videos. They mention somewhere in the video in one line that you can easily miss. So until an independent detailer compares it with something else, I am not spending any money.
All videos that you see on YouTube are sponsored videos. They mention somewhere in the video in one line that you can easily miss. So until an independent detailer compares it with something else, I am not spending any money.
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Graphene is the next wonder substance. Perhaps it will work... not sure. Need to see real comparisons.
Its more work than the SiO2 mist on-rinse off products. Requires arm work and patience and time and arm work. If I’m going through that, why wouldn’t I use a real product?
SiO2 is fairly well established as inert and chemically resistant. Graphene is a carbon structure, which of course range from something soft like graphite, to something hard like diamond. I found it interesting that Wikipedia cited the following:
”The IUPAC recommends use of the name "graphite" for the three-dimensional material, and "graphene" only when the reactions, structural relations or other properties of individual layers are discussed.[18] A narrower definition, of "isolated or free-standing graphene" requires that the layer be sufficiently isolated from its environment,[19] but would include layers suspended or transferred to silicon dioxide or silicon carbide.”
the layers transferred to SiO2 is the interesting thing. So is this really all that different from SiO2 sprays?
I found this elsewhere:
“Being a carbon-based material coupled with the presence of oxygen functionalities, graphene oxide can be easily dispersed in organic solvents, water, and polymer matrixes. This compatibility as a filler with polymer coatings (in this case polydimethylsiloxanes) is crucial, as it allows coatings to benefit from its properties.”
https://surfaceprotectivesolutions.com/graphene/
hmmmm.
So we know that graphene can provide an optically clear material due to how thin it is, we know it can interact with SiO2 and other chemicals of that type. My suspicion is that it helps improve those materials. But how? It’s strong, but so what? It does have good electrical and thermal properties, and 303 mentions keeping the surface cooler. So is it a sunlight/heat/longevity thing?
Its hard to place the benefit - what graphene imparts to the product that makes it perform better. Bonding? Optical? Thermal improvement? Something else?
My interpretation of here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0008622314002711
leads me to believe that graphene will have a poorer water contact angle, and beading characteristic than SiO2.
So I’m curious what the miracle benefit is...
Its more work than the SiO2 mist on-rinse off products. Requires arm work and patience and time and arm work. If I’m going through that, why wouldn’t I use a real product?
SiO2 is fairly well established as inert and chemically resistant. Graphene is a carbon structure, which of course range from something soft like graphite, to something hard like diamond. I found it interesting that Wikipedia cited the following:
”The IUPAC recommends use of the name "graphite" for the three-dimensional material, and "graphene" only when the reactions, structural relations or other properties of individual layers are discussed.[18] A narrower definition, of "isolated or free-standing graphene" requires that the layer be sufficiently isolated from its environment,[19] but would include layers suspended or transferred to silicon dioxide or silicon carbide.”
the layers transferred to SiO2 is the interesting thing. So is this really all that different from SiO2 sprays?
I found this elsewhere:
“Being a carbon-based material coupled with the presence of oxygen functionalities, graphene oxide can be easily dispersed in organic solvents, water, and polymer matrixes. This compatibility as a filler with polymer coatings (in this case polydimethylsiloxanes) is crucial, as it allows coatings to benefit from its properties.”
https://surfaceprotectivesolutions.com/graphene/
hmmmm.
So we know that graphene can provide an optically clear material due to how thin it is, we know it can interact with SiO2 and other chemicals of that type. My suspicion is that it helps improve those materials. But how? It’s strong, but so what? It does have good electrical and thermal properties, and 303 mentions keeping the surface cooler. So is it a sunlight/heat/longevity thing?
Its hard to place the benefit - what graphene imparts to the product that makes it perform better. Bonding? Optical? Thermal improvement? Something else?
My interpretation of here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0008622314002711
leads me to believe that graphene will have a poorer water contact angle, and beading characteristic than SiO2.
So I’m curious what the miracle benefit is...
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I would like to try, but it's pretty early and as others said, all information seems to be sponsored at the moment.
Very good video featuring a well respected name in the auto detailing industry.
To paraphrase a old saying; the future is in graphene.
Didn’t realize 303 made more than just plastics and vinyl protection products. . Vittoria has used graphene in their tire compounds for the last 4 or 5 years which has really improved puncture resistance without compromising suppleness on both my race wheels and training wheels, believer in the tech but probably would wait for my si02 coatings to wear before I went down this road.
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If you had a choice TW SNS or 303 Graphene, which would you choose?
Graphene does not cause water spots as some claims.
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