Anyone carry "protection" when driving?

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
Go to YouTube, type in home invasions,many are caught on video cams, some are quit chilling, you will change your mind about being armed at all times, just watch a few of those videos...


How sad and disgusting our nation has become when an American needs to feel safe IN YOUR OWN HOME by carrying a firearm.

What a disgrace. That really says something about our culture.


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in terms of crime statistics overall, I believe the last several years have been some of the lowest/safest in history.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/201...ca-is-safer-now

Like everything, it's the media or individual perception/occurrences that skew reality.

 

[MalfunctionProne]

Unfortunately, protection for many is a FULLY LOADED cell phone.

 

[jcwit]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Odds are that obesity is a much riskier proposition. How many gun-toters could stand to loose a few pounds? Talk about penny-wise pound foolish.

Eleven years ago I had cancer, at the time I weighed 105 lbs. and it was unlikely I would live.

Well I did, and the Drs. told me to EAT, I did, I'm now 71 and yea overweight, but I'm alive. Yes I could sure stand to loose a few lbs., ever try that at my age.

 

[jcwit]

Originally Posted By: Trajan

If it was a natural right, it would not need to be listed in a constitution written by people.


So it's only unnatural rights that governments take away????????????

That's a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DoiInthanon]

I have car, life, fire, liability, health, and assault insurance. I don't fear items listed, but am prepared. I lift/cardio and enjoy a healthy lifestyle. However, I am 67 years young. Even in peak physical condition, I am no match for a young thug.

In the Navy we never planned a fair fight. Our intention was always overwhelm the objective.

So I live. There will be no fair fight should someone attempt assault of my wife, mother, or myself. In a "fear of my life" situation my POA is to do everything to escape or avoid confrontation. That fails, lethal force is the option remaining at my age. ie Assault insurance.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Some folks prepare for the zombie apocalypse also. Others prepare for a heart attack by taking daily lose-dose aspirin. I'm not going to "prepare" to be in a gun battle. We no longer live in the wild west. If you think you do, maybe you should relocate.



edit ^Steve as you carry cash for work (I'm guessing), I think that falls under a different discussion than someone who commutes to an office/etc and doesn't deal with that. There are crazy stories related to people who have to carry diamonds, etc for their jobs!


Well, sometimes, I work in a ( law ) office, and I keep a gun in my desk for good reason - criminals, some of them crazy and violent, or both. The one time I actually had to get it out, it immediately calmed the situation, well before the police arrived, which was only a matter of minutes, thankfully. Working in an office is certainly no guarantee of safety.

The only time I was a victim of a violent crime, the crime occurred on my own property. That's much harder to avoid.

Personally, I find the comments about living in fear, or living in the wild west, or should relocate, or should have been more courteous, to be completely unpersuasive and patronizing. If someone doesn't want to be armed, then by all means they shouldn't be. I assume you are in that group, which is a good thing since your legislature has basically taken away your choice in the matter.

 

[Turk]

Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: Trajan

If it was a natural right, it would not need to be listed in a constitution written by people.


So it's only unnatural rights that governments take away????????????

That's a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just to be clear, that was Trajan that said that, not me.

 

[Turk]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Turk
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: KevGuy
In Canada we don't need to carry firearms everywhere we go.


Fact of the matter is, I do not live in Canada, nor do I wish to give up my freedoms by moving there!


Right. It's not a "need", it's a "right". A "natural right".

Our "natural rights" don't come from Big Bro, period.

...and the sooner people learn that, oh, wait, some never will.

If it was a natural right, it would not need to be listed in a constitution written by people.


Trajan, the 10 Amendments were made for limitations on what Fed. Gov't can do to citizens.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: jcwit
Eleven years ago I had cancer, at the time I weighed 105 lbs. and it was unlikely I would live.

Well I did, and the Drs. told me to EAT, I did, I'm now 71 and yea overweight, but I'm alive. Yes I could sure stand to loose a few lbs., ever try that at my age.


Congrats on your victory! I hope all is well and you won that battle. Cancer is a word that I wish would completely disappear from existence

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Turk
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Trajan, the 10 Amendments were made for limitations on what Fed. Gov't can do to citizens.



Gee, having studied constitutional law for decades, I didn't know that.....

That has nothing to do with your position that they are "natural" rights. They're no more natural than the divine right of kings. Which was also claimed to be a "natural" right.

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Nope. Never been that frightened to feel the need to carry a gun.


+1, where do these people live that makes them so paranoid?


Cleveland, Ohio...#8 on the top 10 most dangerous cities to live in.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: Trajan

If it was a natural right, it would not need to be listed in a constitution written by people.


So it's only unnatural rights that governments take away????????????

That's a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The joke is that people think that rights spelled out in a document written by men are natural rights.

For centuries people though that the divine right of kings was natural too.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: jcwit


Eleven years ago I had cancer, at the time I weighed 105 lbs. and it was unlikely I would live.
Well I did, and the Drs. told me to EAT, I did, I'm now 71 and yea overweight, but I'm alive. Yes I could sure stand to loose a few lbs., ever try that at my age.

Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: Turk
Yes I can, and yes I sometimes do.

I have a "Permit" to carry, BUT just where in the 2nd Amendment does it say I have to have a permit to carry a gun??

Where??

So, why, as a full law-abiding citizen, do I have to get a "Permit"??



+1

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Only idiots carry a gun, innocent people are not the idiots. Be a real man and fight with your fists. I obviously don't carry a gun....live life in fear, not.


A real man knows how to avoid fighting altogether.


Not always. Here most of the homicides are drug related but innocent people get robbed a lot and injured by teenage "gangsta" types. It is a whole different world in some urban areas in America. I grew up here but plan to move South due to many issues and crime is one of them. I live in a nice above average suburb where the average price of a home is over $200k. But just a few miles away is the hood. Lately, a lot of the ghetto rats have been venturing out into nicer suburbs to see what opportunities are out there. Not a good thing.

I would guess that 50% of my neighbors have CCW permits.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: Turk
Yes I can, and yes I sometimes do.

I have a "Permit" to carry, BUT just where in the 2nd Amendment does it say I have to have a permit to carry a gun??

Where??
So, why, as a full law-abiding citizen, do I have to get a "Permit"??


+1

I also have a cwp. Butthe 2nd Amendment has really never definitely ruled on this issue.
Municipalities and States may reasonably regulate. As time goes by we really may not want the SCOTUS to take up this Amendment

 

[cashmoney]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Let me also add, as it is critical to this discussion, that if you carry a lethal weapon you have a duty and a responsibility to avoid conflict to the greatest extent possible. I am ready to be insulted, to be treated poorly, whatever, if that avoids a conflict in which someone is seriously hurt or killed.

Even if that person I save is a complete @$$####.


100% agree. I think a lot of poorly trained CC permit holders fail to grasp this essential concept. Carrying a firearm means you have to bend over backwards to diffuse the situation or failing that remove yourself from potentially violent situations. A concealed carry permit and a gun in your pocket does not make you a LEO and does not give you any special rights to go correct other people's behavior.

I CC on a regular basis and live in an extremely crime safe area. I train and practice regularly. If confronted by a threat from a crazy or a violent criminal that I can't back my way out of or if I am in a position where I absolutely must need to act to save others' lives, I will act decisively and very accurately and I have zero intention of making it a fair fight.

 

[CourierDriver]

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Jump in and say something. I know many folks in other countries may not be able to have a pistol or it is not available in their country..Not every place is like the USA- imagine that. Land of the free, home of the brave.

 

[MalfunctionProne]

Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Unfortunately, protection for many is a FULLY LOADED cell phone.


Perhaps I should not have said "Unfortunately."

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit


And you could have diffused the entire situation before it even started with a little bit of extra courtesy.


You don't know that.