Anybody Running 1 GBPS At Home?

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Encrypting/decrypting traffic as well as the addition of many more hops is going to have a significant impact on this parameter, so those results should not be surprising.
Ok, but, in this case its encrypted at the computer, not the router and what I experienced was a huge increase in bloat on the upload side vs no vpn...
Not questioning you .. just trying to understand. Yes I do know VPNs add and slow things down but in this case its not the router is what I am saying, its either the servers or the computer.
 
Ok, but, in this case its encrypted at the computer, not the router and what I experienced was a huge increase in bloat on the upload side vs no vpn...
Not questioning you .. just trying to understand. Yes I do know VPNs add and slow things down but in this case its not the router is what I am saying, its either the servers or the computer.

How to explain this without writing a novel....

OK, so, you remember how I first explained it to you, that the device doing NAT/PAT is typically, under high utilization, the limit in the rate at which packets are parsed and its handling of those packets is what imposes delay on the process (it's buffering) which is what this test measures?

OK, so with that in mind, that measure is based on the following sequence:
Browser -> TCP/IP Stack (and anything that plays in here like a SW firewall) -> Access Point (if Wireless) -> Switch -> GW/Router/Firewall -> Internet (routed) -> Test Server

You can reverse that sequence for download.

Now, with a VPN in play, that sequence looks like:
Browser -> TCP/IP Stack (and SW firewall if applicable) + VPN Client, encrypting traffic -> AP (if WiFi) -> Switch ->GW/Router/FW -> Internet (routed) -> VPN Host, decrypting traffic -> Internet (routed) -> Test Server

So, you've added significantly more hops and also the software-imposed delay at both the near and far ends in encrypting/decrypting all the traffic used for the test. This adds latency to the entire test, which then becomes the predominant factor which is why your upstream crapped the bed. It's one thing encrypting/decrypting a few ICMP packets to determine empty pipe latency and jitter. It's quite another to do that at a reasonable rate when the pipe is being highly utilized. The overhead of the VPN process becomes a significant player at that point and the overall driver of latency.
 
Perfectly safe to do as a test. You'll still be behind NAT, so you aren't exposing anything on your LAN in doing so.

I remember how sketchy your ISP is, lol.
I'll disable the modem/router firewall for the test, and can also disable Malwarebytes Premium momentarily after that to see if either is causing upload bufferbloat.
 
@OVERKILL - I am assuming this is pretty good for GB fiber:

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FYI @OVERKILL ... I ran the speedtest on my phone and tablet (both Androids) and the same level of upload bufferblot is there, so it's not OS or anti-virus/anti-malware program related. Will test with my modem/router firewall off next time I'm on the Win7 desktop.
 
FYI @OVERKILL ... I ran the speedtest on my phone and tablet (both Androids) and the same level of upload bufferblot is there, so it's not OS or anti-virus/anti-malware program related. Will test with my modem/router firewall off next time I'm on the Win7 desktop.
Yeah, sounds like you've definitely isolated it to your modem/router combo.
 

Amusingly, if you run "their test" they are actually just putting a different face on the DSL Reports test, because when you click "Detailed Results" they take you to DSL Reports :ROFLMAO:

They are trying to sell you a router that does QoS. I don't think they explain the who issue as detailed as I did in this thread, but the general gist is the same.
 
FYI @OVERKILL - turned off the modem/router firewall and ran the speed test on the Win7 desktop with Cat5 cable connection. Same results on bufferbloat on the upload stream. Notice how choppy the upstream data rate is ... probably has something to do with the bufferbloat being high - ?. Anyway, my down and up load speeds are what they should be per my IP service and it looks like it's most likely something down stream of my equipment.

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FYI @OVERKILL - turned off the modem/router firewall and ran the speed test on the Win7 desktop with Cat5 cable connection. Same results on bufferbloat on the upload stream. Notice how choppy the upstream data rate is ... probably has something to do with the bufferbloat being high - ?. Anyway, my down and up load speeds are what they should be per my IP service and it looks like it's most likely something down stream of my equipment.

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Yeah, I don't expect there is anything you can do about it. Do you have the ability to check/update the firmware on it or is that beyond the scope of allowed capabilities because it is ISP provided?
 
Yeah, I don't expect there is anything you can do about it. Do you have the ability to check/update the firmware on it or is that beyond the scope of allowed capabilities because it is ISP provided?
Yes, the modem/router allows the user to check and update the firmware. It's up to date at this time. Actiontec (made this modem for the IP) has been around a pretty long time and I think they have a decent reputation from what I gather. I doubt it would help to call my IP and ask them what's up. They wouldn't even listen to me telling them the modem fails self diagnostic tests because their two DNS servers fail ping tests about 8 out of 10 runs (remember that fiasco, lol?).
 
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Yes, the modem/router allows the user to check and update the firmware. It's up to date at this time. Actiontec (made this modem for the IP) has been around a pretty long time and I think they have a decent reputation from what I gather. I doubt it would help to call my IP and ask them what's up. They wouldn't even listen to me telling them the modem fails self diagnostic tests because their two DNS servers fail ping tests about 8 out of 10 runs (remember that fiasco, lol?).
Sure do! And in this case it may be some traffic shaping or inspection at the DSLAM as well. Given they can't do DNS, that doesn't give me much hope with them, lol
 
Just an addendum to the information I presented earlier and the diagram that showed traffic flow. As I stressed, the test highlights latency in the circuit. This is USUALLY caused by the device doing NAT/PAT but that is not always the case. As I mentioned, firewall software can do this but so can outrunning the capabilities of any other piece of hardware in the link.

I posted a screenshot from my 200/200 fibre connection earlier that showed exceptional performance. This is the same test, run via WiFi on my mid 2014 MacBook Pro running Big Sur. It has the same wireless card (family) as my MacPro at home, a Broadcom BCM43xx.

Signal strength, according to the Cisco Meraki MR20 AP I'm associated with, is 40dB, which is excellent. I'm connected via 802.11ac. AP advertises that it is capable of a 1,300Mbps rate.

HOWEVER

This old girl can't do 1,300Mbps. Connected rate is actually 174Mbit.

Here's what that looks like on the DSL Reports Speed Test:
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So, because the available bandwidth on the WAN link is higher than the available bandwidth on the WNIC, I'm completely saturating the link between my laptop and the AP; I'm overwhelming the wireless card in my laptop which in turn produces massive latency.

This is through Gig-E on another desktop on the same LAN:

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I have Comcast gigabit internet at home. I stepped up from 200. I did notice a difference in the TV picture quality. But mama is a gamer and she has gigabit internet on her rig for group shoot-em-up games. So she does game while I watch a movie, maybe that is a factor. The new modem may be another factor.

speedtest has it at 800-900 down and 50 up. It could very well be that the 200 down and 7 to 10 up I had before was simply slow to upload. In any case, it’s now fantastic.
 
I switched from 100/10 Spectrum cable internet to 1 Gb/s symmetrical ATT fiber, I was lucky enough to be in one of their areas. It's 60 bucks a month for the first year, then 80 after. I was paying the same price for the 100/10 through spectrum, no brainer.
 
I switched from 100/10 Spectrum cable internet to 1 Gb/s symmetrical ATT fiber, I was lucky enough to be in one of their areas. It's 60 bucks a month for the first year, then 80 after. I was paying the same price for the 100/10 through spectrum, no brainer.

That's a fantastic deal!
 
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