This company claims to have the best performing lubricants without adders like moly....etc. Company resides on www.bndautomotive.com. They have a great marketing write up, but, would like to see some proof. Have e-mailed them to ask for independant test results for oil, ATF, & gear lube. Will post results if something is received. In the mean time, thought I would ask if this had been looked into. Archive search revealed nothing as of yet.
Any testing on Quantumblue lubricants
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I've been an enthusiastic user of the quantum blue lubricants for a few years now.
I had a UOA done on the QB 15w40 I ran in a fullsize K5 chevy blazer, with over 200,000 miles on the truck. Titan labs said the numbers looked good enough that I qualified for their warranty protection program, which would pay a thousand bucks to me if a covered engine part failed. If you are interested, I can post up the numbers.
Also, we run the QB in my dads 2000 vette. no more piston slap, and we're running the weight specified in the owners manual. 5w30 I think.
We've got 8 vehicles in the family, from SUV's to muscle cars, and they've all got the QB lubricants, and the fuel catalyst products in them. We go 10k miles between oil / filter changes without fear.
Did you see the david vizard article in GM hi tec?
Tom
I had a UOA done on the QB 15w40 I ran in a fullsize K5 chevy blazer, with over 200,000 miles on the truck. Titan labs said the numbers looked good enough that I qualified for their warranty protection program, which would pay a thousand bucks to me if a covered engine part failed. If you are interested, I can post up the numbers.
Also, we run the QB in my dads 2000 vette. no more piston slap, and we're running the weight specified in the owners manual. 5w30 I think.
We've got 8 vehicles in the family, from SUV's to muscle cars, and they've all got the QB lubricants, and the fuel catalyst products in them. We go 10k miles between oil / filter changes without fear.
Did you see the david vizard article in GM hi tec?
Tom
Yeah dang moly and those other additives can get in the way of a good oil.
Is that Titanium number of 45 correct? Can you post this in the UOA section as well?
Here's a link that works. http://www.bndautomotive.com/page/page/901818.htm Over the top claims for the oil and gas treatment. Sounds like grp 3 oil with their secret addatives. Moly is probably mentioned along with other nonsoluble adds since most still don't think of moly as soluble. They don't say that they don't use regular addatives. The UOA looks like a pretty normal add pack. I wonder what the magic ingredient is. Zddp and chlorates would do what they describe? I'll let someone else try it.
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The lab said 45 ppm titanium. I haven't visitied the UOA section yet, but I can post it there, no problem.
Tom
The lab said 45 ppm titanium. I haven't visitied the UOA section yet, but I can post it there, no problem.
Tom
Here are the UOA numbers, as done by Titan labs in Denver. I had this done in November of 04, and I have gonbe thru an oil change since this was done.
Probably not the most scientific way to do a test, but I'm new to this. This truck is being sold next week, and I'm buying a 92 K5 from my dad, which has been using the QB 15w40 as well. My goal is to do a UOA at oil change time. I tried to do one last OUA on this truck, but I had developed an intake gasket or head gasket leak that let coolant into the oil, thus ruining the sample.
The truck had 200,141 miles on it at the time of the test. I had run the previous 8,000 miles on the Quantum Blue 15w40, drained it, then replaced it with same. After 3,439 miles on THIS oil change, I took a sample from the oil pan. I then topped it off, and ran it for 10,000 miles total.
Vehicle 1987 K5 Blazer, 305 V8
Viscosity cSt@ 100c .. 14.0
SAE grade 100c .. 40
Fuel soot % WT 0.0
No water, Fuel dilution, or anti freeze
Wear Metals PPM
Chromium 1
Copper 6
Iron 58
Lead 10
Tin 0
Aluminum 4
Silicon ( Dirt ) 11
Additives and Other Metals, PPM ( Additive package in base stock )
Antimony 0
Barium 0
Boron 6
Cadmium 1
Calcium 1694
Magnesium 301
Molybdenum 10
Nickel 0
Phosphorus 2555
Silver 0
Sodium 45
Titanium 45
Zinc 710
Probably not the most scientific way to do a test, but I'm new to this. This truck is being sold next week, and I'm buying a 92 K5 from my dad, which has been using the QB 15w40 as well. My goal is to do a UOA at oil change time. I tried to do one last OUA on this truck, but I had developed an intake gasket or head gasket leak that let coolant into the oil, thus ruining the sample.
The truck had 200,141 miles on it at the time of the test. I had run the previous 8,000 miles on the Quantum Blue 15w40, drained it, then replaced it with same. After 3,439 miles on THIS oil change, I took a sample from the oil pan. I then topped it off, and ran it for 10,000 miles total.
Vehicle 1987 K5 Blazer, 305 V8
Viscosity cSt@ 100c .. 14.0
SAE grade 100c .. 40
Fuel soot % WT 0.0
No water, Fuel dilution, or anti freeze
Wear Metals PPM
Chromium 1
Copper 6
Iron 58
Lead 10
Tin 0
Aluminum 4
Silicon ( Dirt ) 11
Additives and Other Metals, PPM ( Additive package in base stock )
Antimony 0
Barium 0
Boron 6
Cadmium 1
Calcium 1694
Magnesium 301
Molybdenum 10
Nickel 0
Phosphorus 2555
Silver 0
Sodium 45
Titanium 45
Zinc 710
Hello!
I don't have anything else analyzed yet, but I am tracking my wife's 98 durango. I sent out the oil that was in it when we bought it to CTC analytical, then BND blended me a 12.5 / 35, so I'll do a UOA at the appropriate time.
Other friends I've turned on to this stuff report things like temp reductions, and being able to use the lubricants for an entire racing season because they aren't breaking down from heat.
Anyway, thanks for the responses. I look forward to learning a lot here.
Tom
That's good to hear. Could you please post the numbers? Any numbers on the ATF or gear lubricants? I would like to use in my LS1, 460LE, & 3.55 10 bolt. Also have a 2004 Buick that may use it. Currently use AMSoil 5w30 oil, Mercon V ATF, & Schaeffers gear lube in the rear end. Am always looking for the best available products. Any numbers on the 5w30?>>
I don't have anything else analyzed yet, but I am tracking my wife's 98 durango. I sent out the oil that was in it when we bought it to CTC analytical, then BND blended me a 12.5 / 35, so I'll do a UOA at the appropriate time.
Other friends I've turned on to this stuff report things like temp reductions, and being able to use the lubricants for an entire racing season because they aren't breaking down from heat.
Anyway, thanks for the responses. I look forward to learning a lot here.
Tom
That's good to hear. Could you please post the numbers? Any numbers on the ATF or gear lubricants? I would like to use in my LS1, 460LE, & 3.55 10 bolt. Also have a 2004 Buick that may use it. Currently use AMSoil 5w30 oil, Mercon V ATF, & Schaeffers gear lube in the rear end. Am always looking for the best available products. Any numbers on the 5w30?>>
Well, you can do as you wish.. I just responded to the original question with my experiences.
Hopefully your attitude won't discourage anybody from investigating things for themselves.
Tom
http://www.bndautomotive.com/page/page/901818.htm Over the top claims for the oil and gas treatment. Sounds like grp 3 oil with their secret addatives. Moly is probably mentioned along with other nonsoluble adds since most still don't think of moly as soluble. They don't say that they don't use regular addatives. The UOA looks like a pretty normal add pack. I wonder what the magic ingredient is. Zddp and chlorates would do what they describe? I'll let someone else try it.>>
Hopefully your attitude won't discourage anybody from investigating things for themselves.
Tom
http://www.bndautomotive.com/page/page/901818.htm Over the top claims for the oil and gas treatment. Sounds like grp 3 oil with their secret addatives. Moly is probably mentioned along with other nonsoluble adds since most still don't think of moly as soluble. They don't say that they don't use regular addatives. The UOA looks like a pretty normal add pack. I wonder what the magic ingredient is. Zddp and chlorates would do what they describe? I'll let someone else try it.>>
No attitude, just opinion. They describe a oil without solid adds like every other oil, make a group 3 base stock sound unique and better than other synthetic oil and describe a conditioning process that is often associated with chlorinated paraffins. This ingredient also fits the description of use by government agencies, but not in their motor oil. I would love to see more UOAs on it and every other unknown oil. I would just need to know more about the miracle additive before I tried it or see some good UOAs. I wouldn't have tried RP and Schaeffers if I didn't know that Synerlec and Penetro weren't chlorinated paraffins either. Read their description and claims, then dispute anything I've said except the chance of chlorinated paraffin use which is obviously conjecture on my part. They may be on to something but if the secret ingredient is used in aerospace etc. than it's no secret to other oil producers that either don't use it or don't make these claims about it.
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"This has synthetic characteristic base oil from mineral stock that has been hydrotreated to take all the wax and pariffin from the oil"
GP II oil this is written worse than I can do LOL.
bruce
GP II oil this is written worse than I can do LOL.
bruce
LOL this is a great read no spell check here or any correct industry type of info what a load.
example:
"sparities (hills and valleys on the surface of metal parts) and allows a tighter retention of oil."
the correct word is ASPERITIES
"We hydro-treat the oil, take all the reactive hydrocarbons out of the oil and produce synthetic molecule characteristics out of mineral"
looking at latest world Base oil refinery listing I do NOT see BND.
"Such particles sinter and become abrasive when exposed to combustion gas temperatures."
Sinter I do not think so
"by reconstructing worn surfaces through"
No do not think so
"special proprietary molecular shear, viscosity, and anti-wear technology designed for severe military and space"
Space has a whole different type of demands on lubes and military follow most industrial product requirments
The Titanium looks odd could be that use titanium Di sulfide that as a solid could build up on metal, oh thats right no solids in this stuff.
Al though there are some Titanium additives coming out I can not comment on them never used or looked at them
example:
"sparities (hills and valleys on the surface of metal parts) and allows a tighter retention of oil."
the correct word is ASPERITIES
"We hydro-treat the oil, take all the reactive hydrocarbons out of the oil and produce synthetic molecule characteristics out of mineral"
looking at latest world Base oil refinery listing I do NOT see BND.
"Such particles sinter and become abrasive when exposed to combustion gas temperatures."
Sinter I do not think so
"by reconstructing worn surfaces through"
No do not think so
"special proprietary molecular shear, viscosity, and anti-wear technology designed for severe military and space"
Space has a whole different type of demands on lubes and military follow most industrial product requirments
The Titanium looks odd could be that use titanium Di sulfide that as a solid could build up on metal, oh thats right no solids in this stuff.
Al though there are some Titanium additives coming out I can not comment on them never used or looked at them
Your UOA says no coolant even though you mention a leak. If you're aware of a leak why would you keep the oil in another 6k mi. with that wear. That amount phoshporus can't be good for cats.
Hi!
The coolant leak developed well after the sampled oil was totally changed out. It's an old motor.
Tom
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The coolant leak developed well after the sampled oil was totally changed out. It's an old motor.
Tom
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Granted, no testing results...but there is an older message thread that talks a bit about this oil:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=009165
I smell trolls.
The 2 times someone ever mentions this stuff and magically someone else immediately joins the site to extoll its virtues, never to be heard from again...
I challenge everyone to think back to their first post on BITOG. It was probably because you had a question. It was probably not because you wanted to hawk a product.
$9 a quart PLUS shipping? Absurd.
The 2 times someone ever mentions this stuff and magically someone else immediately joins the site to extoll its virtues, never to be heard from again...
I challenge everyone to think back to their first post on BITOG. It was probably because you had a question. It was probably not because you wanted to hawk a product.
$9 a quart PLUS shipping? Absurd.
I would agree but why post THAT UOA if you're extolling the virtues of the product. Perhaps it's a 2 pronged attack with better results to follow or maybe only What??? is trolling and bountyhunter is sharing honestly, causing a backfire. My guess is that bountyhunter is a consumer of the product that found this great site and told What??? about it. By the way these products are available from a few different distributors and not only bnd. They're just resellers.
yeah, but notice how the UOA lists the distributor and product in the subject header [what to get and from whom to get it], instead of the vehicle, mileage, product like the rest of us do.
I'll bet that the respondants in both the Quantumblue posts are the trolls-- at least 'What??' bothered to post a couple of times on other subjects.
I'll bet that the respondants in both the Quantumblue posts are the trolls-- at least 'What??' bothered to post a couple of times on other subjects.
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