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I'm wondering how in the world does this happen. I assume it is some sort of chemical fire...or maybe from the discussion it sounds like a possible electrical fire? Crystalized coolant reacting with battery chemicals causing fires...looks like the procedures for dealing with these electric cars is going to have to be overhauled.


Volt Battery Fire 3 Weeks After Crash Test


"After the crash test, NHTSA found a damaged battery and coolant leak and sent the car to a storage lot. Unlike a crash test with a gasoline engine, where the tank would be drained, the battery remained charged.

GM believes that after sitting for three weeks, exposed to the weather, the coolant crystallized and interacted with the battery, causingthe fire, said GM spokesman Rob Peterson.

In a normal crash, the coolant interacting with a Volt battery would not cause a fire, he said.

GM's protocol is to drain the battery of energy after a crash, but the automaker hadn't informed NHTSA at the time of the test, the company said. In an actual roadway crash, GM would have been notified via OnStar and would have removed the battery for research.

NHTSA wants all electric vehicle manufacturers to provide information on procedures they have established for discharging and handling lithium-ion batteries. That includes any recommendations for minimizing fire risks.

Since the fire, the agency has replicated the crash test with another Volt — leaving it sitting for three weeks — but there was no fire. GM also tested a Volt and has been unable to replicate the fire."
 
CI consider the millions of cars that have enough gas in the tank to blow up a city block, and it amazes me how safe they are!

I'm not ready for electrics or hybrids yet. They were pushed into production, not developed over time.
 
Firefighters and EMT's get and need training on the procedures required to work with hybrids and electrics. back in the day, we were advised to cut the battery cables before extricating people
 
Watch the 1970s show Emergency,even back then they cut the cables before doing anything else.
You would think car makers knowing the vulnerability of these batteries,would build heavy armored metal boxes to surround them.To take a side impact,and have metal structure puncture the battery is not good.Especially when you are talking such hazardous batteries and so many of them.
 
Originally Posted By: tomcat27
Firefighters and EMT's get and need training on the procedures required to work with hybrids and electrics. back in the day, we were advised to cut the battery cables before extricating people


I think that is still the case because on the Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade/Denali Hybrids we build at my plant the battery cables have huge labels that tell the firemen where to cut the cable.
 
just think if you was a rescue worker and you are trying to cut open the battery car, to save a life, but you dont where or how much voltage is in the battery powered car. or if it goes in a lake what happens to the voltage?
 
I am not a chemist, but batteries can overheat and cause fires. There was a large recall by DELL for batteries that caused fires in laptops.

The procedure for the VOLT is the same as all other hybrid/electric cars.

http://www.iafc.org/Operations/LegacyArticleDetail.cfm?ItemNumber=4297

Zimbio shows the VOLT test. Full side impact that cracked the battery pack.

http://www.zimbio.com/Car+news/articles/Hk5g0E-ilet/Third+Fire+Consumes+Chevy+Volt+Electric+Car

This is not the first VOLT fire. A VOLT that was in a garage fire due to a home-made charging unit re-ignited itself a few days after the garage fire.
 
Originally Posted By: carwreck
I am not a chemist, but batteries can overheat and cause fires. There was a large recall by DELL for batteries that caused fires in laptops.

The procedure for the VOLT is the same as all other hybrid/electric cars.

http://www.iafc.org/Operations/LegacyArticleDetail.cfm?ItemNumber=4297

Zimbio shows the VOLT test. Full side impact that cracked the battery pack.

http://www.zimbio.com/Car+news/articles/Hk5g0E-ilet/Third+Fire+Consumes+Chevy+Volt+Electric+Car

This is not the first VOLT fire. A VOLT that was in a garage fire due to a home-made charging unit re-ignited itself a few days after the garage fire.




Yes, I remember that incident. Totally not GM's fault but it made the news like it was.
 
As an avid R/C hobbyist I am very respectful of batteries.

We use a lot of Lithium Polymer (Li-Po) batteries, and they are SPECTACULAR if mishandled!
 
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