Any cars with rust-proofing built in?
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Originally Posted By: Ethan1
The Euro manufacturers do indeed apply cavity wax at the factory.
You'd be hard pressed to find a 10- or 15-year-old Volvo with rusty doors. It's hard to find a domestic car of the same vintage without rust.
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Volvo used to have some of the worst records for rusting prematurely. After around 2000 they really upped their game, coincidentally around the same time they were owned by Ford. Interesting as many blamed Ford for spoiling Volvo's image
The Euro manufacturers do indeed apply cavity wax at the factory.
You'd be hard pressed to find a 10- or 15-year-old Volvo with rusty doors. It's hard to find a domestic car of the same vintage without rust.
Agree
Volvo used to have some of the worst records for rusting prematurely. After around 2000 they really upped their game, coincidentally around the same time they were owned by Ford. Interesting as many blamed Ford for spoiling Volvo's image
had a C5 but sold it.
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if you don't mind - which euro cars?
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Bob
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Bob
De Lorean, Saab Sonnet, Corvette, H1 Hummer, Land Rover Defender ... I'm sure there are many others
Aluminium and Carbon Fibre.
From what I see in my neck of the Salt Belt is, Toyota Camry's and above into the Lexus line(not Corolla's on downward) seem to last a very long time before their bodies start to rust. However the Corolla's aren't too bad per/say.
What I mean is(and I'm not saying it's only Toy/Lex), I see 15 yr old Toyota's/Lexus' in my area from those whom I know(friends/family) that these cars just don't have the rust(or any rust) that other makes do. And these cars were purchased here in Western NY State and driven here all of its life. And most of these folks I speak of, don't particularly take much care of their vehicles, mechanically or cosmetically!
What I mean is(and I'm not saying it's only Toy/Lex), I see 15 yr old Toyota's/Lexus' in my area from those whom I know(friends/family) that these cars just don't have the rust(or any rust) that other makes do. And these cars were purchased here in Western NY State and driven here all of its life. And most of these folks I speak of, don't particularly take much care of their vehicles, mechanically or cosmetically!
Well I get my vehicles treated with CarWell. I am sure most vehicles are rustproofed to some extent.
But if you buy a new car and they tell you it's super-duper rustproofed, you will not really know for 5 or 10 years and then it's too late to get it treated with Krown or CarWell.
But if you buy a new car and they tell you it's super-duper rustproofed, you will not really know for 5 or 10 years and then it's too late to get it treated with Krown or CarWell.
Don't forget the Peugeot 504 series which cam with rusted rockers as standard equipment.
I have seen Jag's that were 3 yrs old in Florida that were rusting already. Of course, this was in the '80s&'90s
I know that my in laws 2001 jetta, when we removed the panels to replace broken power windows brackets, the inside of the door cavity was covered with a waxy coating. Also, from what I see on the road, other German cars seem to be holding up much better than the rest when it comes to rust. It is also easy to spot if these vehicles had any body panels replaced, because they are the only ones with rust.
On the other hand, my 92 Corsica, 91 Tracer, 95 Accord, 2003 Focus, 2006 Mazda 3, and 2015 Grand Caravan were all bone dry inside all the cavities that I've seen.
On the other hand, my 92 Corsica, 91 Tracer, 95 Accord, 2003 Focus, 2006 Mazda 3, and 2015 Grand Caravan were all bone dry inside all the cavities that I've seen.
Originally Posted By: Warstud
Corvette
They can rust like crazy! Seriously. I have seen horrific frame and birdcage rot on some of them when driven in all conditions because the owners didn't think the fiberglass god could rust away under the fiberglass body panels.
All the fiberglass and composite panel vehicles can rot you just don't see it as soon.
Corvette
They can rust like crazy! Seriously. I have seen horrific frame and birdcage rot on some of them when driven in all conditions because the owners didn't think the fiberglass god could rust away under the fiberglass body panels.
All the fiberglass and composite panel vehicles can rot you just don't see it as soon.
Most cars of the past thirty years or so have much better resistance to rust than those of prior periods.
It was nothing back in the fifties, sixties or seventies to see cars rusted horribly after only four or five Northern winters and it should be noted that the villain salt was less heavily used in those days.
German cars are better?
Maybe they are today, but Mercedes cars up through the W123 were notably prone to rust as were BMWs of the same era. The sainted old 1600/2002 cars rivaled anything Italian for their propensity to rust and the same is true of Volvos from that period.
With few exceptions, most cars of today will go through a decade of Northern winters without any perforation.
I can think of only two notable exceptions, one Brand M from Japan and the other Brand D (or R) of trucks.
Regular winter washes and garaging may not help, since as long as the car is covered in frozen delight, rust is pretty much at bay. Warm all of that frozen saline solution with a fresh wash, unless its very thorough or park that encrusted car in an above freezing garage and the lyrics of an old Neil Young song take effect.
Driving in heavy rain after a snow event is probably at least as effective in cleaning the vulnerable areas of salt as washing is.
It was nothing back in the fifties, sixties or seventies to see cars rusted horribly after only four or five Northern winters and it should be noted that the villain salt was less heavily used in those days.
German cars are better?
Maybe they are today, but Mercedes cars up through the W123 were notably prone to rust as were BMWs of the same era. The sainted old 1600/2002 cars rivaled anything Italian for their propensity to rust and the same is true of Volvos from that period.
With few exceptions, most cars of today will go through a decade of Northern winters without any perforation.
I can think of only two notable exceptions, one Brand M from Japan and the other Brand D (or R) of trucks.
Regular winter washes and garaging may not help, since as long as the car is covered in frozen delight, rust is pretty much at bay. Warm all of that frozen saline solution with a fresh wash, unless its very thorough or park that encrusted car in an above freezing garage and the lyrics of an old Neil Young song take effect.
Driving in heavy rain after a snow event is probably at least as effective in cleaning the vulnerable areas of salt as washing is.
My wife has a Kia Rio 2003 that she loves. We get it sprayed with rustproffing oil every other year, it is still rust free, yes even when put on a lift and checked on the underside!
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
DeLorean DMC-12
Their problem wasn't the stainless body, but the steel frame. Supposedly sealed with epoxy, but apparently not well enough that a lot of their frames have gone bad from exposure to road salt.
DeLorean DMC-12
Their problem wasn't the stainless body, but the steel frame. Supposedly sealed with epoxy, but apparently not well enough that a lot of their frames have gone bad from exposure to road salt.
Originally Posted By: earlyre
the new aluminum F-150
aluminum doesn't Rust, Rust is Iron Oxide.
Aluminum Does Corrode though.
Aluminum corrodes really quickly though like chromium in stainless steel. It's supposed to form a protective oxide layer so fast that it keeps out addition oxygen, and any scratching is supposed to result in reformation of the oxide. However, I've seen video of mercury attacking aluminum. It just needs to be scratched and there's no oxygen in the mercury to help the oxide reform.
Still - you can find stuff like aluminum boat hulls with rather nasty corrosion, especially in saltwater. The protection can be compromised, especially underwater.
the new aluminum F-150
aluminum doesn't Rust, Rust is Iron Oxide.
Aluminum Does Corrode though.
Aluminum corrodes really quickly though like chromium in stainless steel. It's supposed to form a protective oxide layer so fast that it keeps out addition oxygen, and any scratching is supposed to result in reformation of the oxide. However, I've seen video of mercury attacking aluminum. It just needs to be scratched and there's no oxygen in the mercury to help the oxide reform.
Still - you can find stuff like aluminum boat hulls with rather nasty corrosion, especially in saltwater. The protection can be compromised, especially underwater.
Originally Posted By: Warstud
Corvette
True, but only the 2014 and later. As these have aluminum frames that do not seem to have corrosion issues. Most earlier 'vettes (except some Z06 models) had steel frames and rust/corrosion issues.
As far as aluminum corrosion is concerned:
The aluminum alloy, and the type of heat treating it receives, greatly affects corrosion resistance. And if the metal is "alclad" with 100% pure aluminum to provide a protective layer, even highly alloyed metals will hold up well. With the highly alloyed versions typically (but not always) more susceptible to corrosion. And the softer, more formable, aluminum alloys being more resistant to corrosion.
My point is that one cannot make blanket statements about aluminum and corrosion. There are vast differences between types.
Corvette
True, but only the 2014 and later. As these have aluminum frames that do not seem to have corrosion issues. Most earlier 'vettes (except some Z06 models) had steel frames and rust/corrosion issues.
As far as aluminum corrosion is concerned:
The aluminum alloy, and the type of heat treating it receives, greatly affects corrosion resistance. And if the metal is "alclad" with 100% pure aluminum to provide a protective layer, even highly alloyed metals will hold up well. With the highly alloyed versions typically (but not always) more susceptible to corrosion. And the softer, more formable, aluminum alloys being more resistant to corrosion.
My point is that one cannot make blanket statements about aluminum and corrosion. There are vast differences between types.
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My 2008 Hyundai Accent has what looks to be body color painted bed liner. It's held up great for 8 years. Can't say as much about the paint on the drivers rear fender. My 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe had a waxy like coating on the bottom and most of that is gone now.
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