Another satisfying AutoRX treatment
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Run it longer than 1,500 miles. It just isn't long enough IMO.
Based on my experience with ARX in my 2.7, I agree completely. It turns out that my 2.7 never did have any of the soft, muck-like sludge. But it did have some of the tougher tar-like "sludge". On ARX #3, I did the clean phase for 3000 miles and same for the rinse. In the 9 months since ARX #3 was completed, I see continuing and very gradual cleaning. Basically, all subsequent oil changes are a continuation of the rinse phase.
The Chryco 3.5 V6 is not known for sludging so I'm willing to bet that you can run 3K on the clean phase without getting into any sort of trouble with a plugged filter.
I am curious to see what Frank has to say on this topic. I am only 200 miles into an initial clean phase on my car (see sig.). Now I am wondering if I should extend the clean and rinse phases.
I inquired on the A-Rx Forum about entending the clean and rinse phases based on the posts within this thread. The response I received pointed out that the A-Rx application guidelines have been adjusted over the life of the product to work best for the majority of customers. Unless your particular application falls outside normal requirements, I would utilize the recommended application. If you feel your requirement is unique I would contact Frank for special instructions.
You have got to remember that the instructions are written as is for the safety of those with severely neglected cars maintenance wise. Of coarse all of us at BITOG are fully in tune with proper maintenance, but in reality many outsiders are not.
In my estimation doing a second cleaning and rinse is better than trying to accomplish the same with extending the clean and rinse phase. I say this because although ARX does a wonderful job is slowly dissolving deposits, there can be large amounts of wear metals within the deposits. So why circulate wear metals around through the crankcase any longer than you have to.
It is interesting to me that nobody seems to be able to provide solid evidence that Auto-RX does not work. I am 99% sure that Auto-RX really does work and I am going to keep using it. It seemed to work for me (apparently stopped seal leak). Terry the oil analysist guy says that it works.
I'm about 400 miles into my first Auto-RX treatment with my SL2 (which has nearly 104,000 miles on it) and I have experienced a sharp increase in the amount of oil consumption. Prior to adding Auto-RX, I consumed about 6 ounces of oil in 1600 miles. Just 350 miles after adding Auto-RX, I have already consumed 8 oz.
Frank has expressed to me that you can go a bit longer on both the clean and rinse. I just think that most people don't want to go longer, but then most people are not members of BITOG. I'm on my second bottle and I'm going to run the clean phase from 1,500 to 2,000 miles.
Thats normal in a Saturn until you have finished clean & rinse cycles all the dirt-contamiants coming from the ring packs were acting as seals (know that sounds good however when these false seals go so does your engine)when your done your final rinse and go back to just oil (using non synthetic) drive maybe up to 3000 miles (just like the Auto-Rx Application says) somewhere between 10 miles and 3000 miles oil burning will diminish or stop completely.
Pretty inexpensive way to stop your problem and if you follow application instructions you will be happy. Please post again.
Pretty inexpensive way to stop your problem and if you follow application instructions you will be happy. Please post again.
The Critic,
Be patient and good results will likely come. Sometimes cleaning around cylinderical surfaces is not completely uniform, such as ring packs and valve stem seals and valve guides. In some situations things appear to get worse, before they get much better.
Be patient and good results will likely come. Sometimes cleaning around cylinderical surfaces is not completely uniform, such as ring packs and valve stem seals and valve guides. In some situations things appear to get worse, before they get much better.
I've used it for years but this time I got a much better result. I learn something every day.
Thats a mighty-fine calibrated dipstick you got.
(If I can't criticize the Critic, then the terrorists have won)
I just know from experience with 8oz low appears like on my dipstick...that's what happens when you drive a former oil burning Saturn S-Series.
I've always run mine longer than the "recommended". I've used LC-20 to do some of the heavy lifting with the previous OFL so as to be able to use fresh oil/filter for both cycles of ARX. (And all vehicles thus far have been under 100,000 miles and show no oil use between changes, etc.) Fuel Power is always used.
All other services are done (all fluids/filters changed, alignment/tire pressures perfected; normal maintenance performed, etc) beforehand so that any "changes" are notable. Happily, none have been noted (meaning, the used car/truck bought is in excellent shape); I've wanted the ARX use to be the final touch. Only afterwards am I interested in beginning oil analysis.
All other services are done (all fluids/filters changed, alignment/tire pressures perfected; normal maintenance performed, etc) beforehand so that any "changes" are notable. Happily, none have been noted (meaning, the used car/truck bought is in excellent shape); I've wanted the ARX use to be the final touch. Only afterwards am I interested in beginning oil analysis.
I am nearing the end of the rinse phase of my 85K Buick 3.1 and the motor is definitely smoother. Prior to changing out the cleaning phase oil (which I ran for 2K) I did an intake system cleaning. This probably also helps account for the new found 'smoothness'. I am running the rinse phase 3K because my motor really didn't seem too dirty before I started. Even if the Auto-RX treatment wasn't really needed I am happy I did it since I really believe in the products ability to recondition seals.
Tan Sedan,
I disagree that LC20 would be the choice for doing the heavy lifting. IMO ARX has the capability to do alot more of the heavy work, in regards to cleaning.
I disagree that LC20 would be the choice for doing the heavy lifting. IMO ARX has the capability to do alot more of the heavy work, in regards to cleaning.
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