I hope this sends the message to future pirates attempting to board US ships, that we will shoot back. Maybe not a bad idea to have a few armed guards on freighter ships, especially in that area?
Another Pirate attack
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Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
All the pirates were young fellows? They had a whole lifetime ahead of them!
Why couldn't they go to jihad camp like other boys their age?
They saw the light, it's all about the light (bling bling).
All the pirates were young fellows? They had a whole lifetime ahead of them!
Why couldn't they go to jihad camp like other boys their age?
They saw the light, it's all about the light (bling bling).
BTW I forgot to say that I'm proud of our boys. Three shots three kills with no harm to the prisoner.
Originally Posted By: AcuraTech
BTW I forgot to say that I'm proud of our boys. Three shots three kills with no harm to the prisoner.
Wonderful people. I'm amazed every day at their sense of service.
BTW I forgot to say that I'm proud of our boys. Three shots three kills with no harm to the prisoner.
Wonderful people. I'm amazed every day at their sense of service.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/04/13/ap6285685.html
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The pirates' primary concerns, however, are economic, and they have no interest in escalating violence. That's why they took 4 more ships today.
Pirates armed with assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades typically speed toward a ship in skiffs and use ropes and hooks to get aboard without shooting. Not always. Within days, a ransom of $1 million to $2 million is delivered, by sea or air, and the ship and crew are released.
No shot is fired. No one is harmed. Hostages have even told of being fed "sumptuously," with pirates billing the shipping companies for the food and drinks.
Could this be anymore apologetic?
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/pirates-shoot-japanese-ship-off-somalia-2578997
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A Japanese ship operated by Mitsui O.S.K. Lines was shot at by two pirate ships off Somalia, but none of the 18 Filipino crew were injured.
The incident, which occured on Sunday, came after the Japanese government earlier this month ordered two naval vessels to join international patrols aimed at curbing pirate attacks off Somalia.
"Some windows were broken, and there was some damage to the outside of the ship, but no one was injured," a spokeswoman for Mitsui O.S.K. Lines says.
So much for the peaceful pirates.
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The pirates' primary concerns, however, are economic, and they have no interest in escalating violence. That's why they took 4 more ships today.
Pirates armed with assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades typically speed toward a ship in skiffs and use ropes and hooks to get aboard without shooting. Not always. Within days, a ransom of $1 million to $2 million is delivered, by sea or air, and the ship and crew are released.
No shot is fired. No one is harmed. Hostages have even told of being fed "sumptuously," with pirates billing the shipping companies for the food and drinks.
Could this be anymore apologetic?
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/pirates-shoot-japanese-ship-off-somalia-2578997
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A Japanese ship operated by Mitsui O.S.K. Lines was shot at by two pirate ships off Somalia, but none of the 18 Filipino crew were injured.
The incident, which occured on Sunday, came after the Japanese government earlier this month ordered two naval vessels to join international patrols aimed at curbing pirate attacks off Somalia.
"Some windows were broken, and there was some damage to the outside of the ship, but no one was injured," a spokeswoman for Mitsui O.S.K. Lines says.
So much for the peaceful pirates.
I love this phrase:
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Those released are lucky....
Blogovich Sphincter! Those "released" took action, or their parent country took action. The tone is indeed PA (pirate arse) kissing. What's up with that?
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Those released are lucky....
Blogovich Sphincter! Those "released" took action, or their parent country took action. The tone is indeed PA (pirate arse) kissing. What's up with that?
According to one member of the media, it is more apt to call the pirates 'Voluntary Coast Guard'.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
According to one member of the media, it is more apt to call the pirates 'Voluntary Coast Guard'.
Well, he said that the pirates consider themselves to be a voluntary coast guard, but then, strangely, adds "which might be more apt".
Here's a YouTube clip from the unnamed media personality's radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUbsLKNCUoA
I thought this comment left on the YouTube page pretty much sums it up:
"Yes, and on 9/11 the terrorist were voluntary interior decorators."
... Although this one irks me a bit, as I've been seeing this phrase used as a pejorative a lot lately:
"Spoken like a true community organizer."
Do right-leaning folks have a problem of some sort with community organizers?
According to one member of the media, it is more apt to call the pirates 'Voluntary Coast Guard'.
Well, he said that the pirates consider themselves to be a voluntary coast guard, but then, strangely, adds "which might be more apt".
Here's a YouTube clip from the unnamed media personality's radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUbsLKNCUoA
I thought this comment left on the YouTube page pretty much sums it up:
"Yes, and on 9/11 the terrorist were voluntary interior decorators."
... Although this one irks me a bit, as I've been seeing this phrase used as a pejorative a lot lately:
"Spoken like a true community organizer."
Do right-leaning folks have a problem of some sort with community organizers?
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Do right-leaning folks have a problem of some sort with community organizers?
Yes. I has words in it that are social ..therefore socialized ..therefore socialist.
It's the domino effect in literature. Allow just one word inch ..and the next thing you know, you're a screaming commie.
Do right-leaning folks have a problem of some sort with community organizers?
Yes. I has words in it that are social ..therefore socialized ..therefore socialist.
It's the domino effect in literature. Allow just one word inch ..and the next thing you know, you're a screaming commie.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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Do right-leaning folks have a problem of some sort with community organizers?
Yes. I has words in it that are social ..therefore socialized ..therefore socialist.
It's the domino effect in literature. Allow just one word inch ..and the next thing you know, you're a screaming commie.
Well, OK then... "Freedom Co-ordinator", it is!
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Do right-leaning folks have a problem of some sort with community organizers?
Yes. I has words in it that are social ..therefore socialized ..therefore socialist.
It's the domino effect in literature. Allow just one word inch ..and the next thing you know, you're a screaming commie.
Well, OK then... "Freedom Co-ordinator", it is!
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Originally Posted By: jmac
Originally Posted By: labman
It is great we had the people able to do it in the dark on a pitching boat. Night vision goggles? I hope the guys get the recognition they deserve.
Night scopes.
Been around since at least VN.
Active scopes (used in conjunction with an infrared light source) have been around since WW2, passive scopes (amplifying ambient light) have been around since the Vietnam war.
Originally Posted By: labman
It is great we had the people able to do it in the dark on a pitching boat. Night vision goggles? I hope the guys get the recognition they deserve.
Night scopes.
Been around since at least VN.
Active scopes (used in conjunction with an infrared light source) have been around since WW2, passive scopes (amplifying ambient light) have been around since the Vietnam war.
A good history of the Barbary wars 200 years ago:http://histclo.com/essay/war/bp/bp-abw.html
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"Would to Heaven we had a navy to reform these enemies to mankind or crush them into non-existence," George Washington
Now we have the greatest Navy in the history of the world and we can't do anything about it.
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"Would to Heaven we had a navy to reform these enemies to mankind or crush them into non-existence," George Washington
Now we have the greatest Navy in the history of the world and we can't do anything about it.
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Sure we can. We just can't pay the bill.
Longshanks: Arrows are expensive. Send in the Irish. They don't cost anything.
Longshanks: Arrows are expensive. Send in the Irish. They don't cost anything.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/66076.html
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MOMBASA, Kenya — A day after the U.S. military killed three pirates and rescued an American sea captain, Somali pirates threatened to retaliate by killing captured U.S. seamen and the Pentagon said there's little it can do to stop future attacks.
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I've got a boat, I've got a machine gun and I have to go and search for French and American boats," said Mohammed Janaa, a 39-year-old self-described pirate, said by phone from the coastal Somali town of Hobyo, a notorious pirate den.
South of Hobyo, in the coastal town of Haradheere, Nor Osman, who described himself as a pirate commander in the area, said that leaders of local pirate groups had decided that, "If we happen to capture American or French hostages in the future, we will kill them immediately."
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Piracy is a crime, not an act of war, Navy officials said, and pirates have an infrastructure ashore that supports their operations, making it impossible to solve at sea. It's particularly difficult in Somalia, where large parts of the country are ungoverned, they said. Piracy is one of the troubled nation's most profitable business prospects.
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MOMBASA, Kenya — A day after the U.S. military killed three pirates and rescued an American sea captain, Somali pirates threatened to retaliate by killing captured U.S. seamen and the Pentagon said there's little it can do to stop future attacks.
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I've got a boat, I've got a machine gun and I have to go and search for French and American boats," said Mohammed Janaa, a 39-year-old self-described pirate, said by phone from the coastal Somali town of Hobyo, a notorious pirate den.
South of Hobyo, in the coastal town of Haradheere, Nor Osman, who described himself as a pirate commander in the area, said that leaders of local pirate groups had decided that, "If we happen to capture American or French hostages in the future, we will kill them immediately."
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Piracy is a crime, not an act of war, Navy officials said, and pirates have an infrastructure ashore that supports their operations, making it impossible to solve at sea. It's particularly difficult in Somalia, where large parts of the country are ungoverned, they said. Piracy is one of the troubled nation's most profitable business prospects.
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You can't stop continuing piracy at sea. You can, if so motivated, surely reduce their success rate to ZERO. All you need is money.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
You can't stop continuing piracy at sea. You can, if so motivated, surely reduce their success rate to ZERO. All you need is money.
Piracy is a land based business enterprise, The way you put them out of business is to deny them a land base or make using their land base inconvenient enough to live in that they find another line of work. I hear many of the more successful pirates have built ostentatious homes and drive new SUVS, trucks and high end cars. They aren't real difficult to spot in coastal Somali towns.
You can't stop continuing piracy at sea. You can, if so motivated, surely reduce their success rate to ZERO. All you need is money.
Piracy is a land based business enterprise, The way you put them out of business is to deny them a land base or make using their land base inconvenient enough to live in that they find another line of work. I hear many of the more successful pirates have built ostentatious homes and drive new SUVS, trucks and high end cars. They aren't real difficult to spot in coastal Somali towns.
Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
You can't stop continuing piracy at sea. You can, if so motivated, surely reduce their success rate to ZERO. All you need is money.
Piracy is a land based business enterprise, The way you put them out of business is to deny them a land base or make using their land base inconvenient enough to live in that they find another line of work. I hear many of the more successful pirates have built ostentatious homes and drive new SUVS, trucks and high end cars. They aren't real difficult to spot in coastal Somali towns.
Agreed, but it's hard to get these guys if the gov. views them as criminals to be dealt with via police agencies, as opposed to enemies of the state that are to be dealt with via the military.
The former is a reactionary measure, the later can be a proactive one.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
You can't stop continuing piracy at sea. You can, if so motivated, surely reduce their success rate to ZERO. All you need is money.
Piracy is a land based business enterprise, The way you put them out of business is to deny them a land base or make using their land base inconvenient enough to live in that they find another line of work. I hear many of the more successful pirates have built ostentatious homes and drive new SUVS, trucks and high end cars. They aren't real difficult to spot in coastal Somali towns.
Agreed, but it's hard to get these guys if the gov. views them as criminals to be dealt with via police agencies, as opposed to enemies of the state that are to be dealt with via the military.
The former is a reactionary measure, the later can be a proactive one.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
According to one member of the media, it is more apt to call the pirates 'Voluntary Coast Guard'.
That's not what they've said at all. The media was explaining how pirates began as a vigilante 'privateers' because Europeans were taking advantage of the fact that they had no navy, and were illegally dumping radioactive and medical waste in their coastal waters, much of which was carried out by mafia related companies. The Somali fisherman then received arms from warlords and began boarding and searching illegal dumpers. Unfortunately, this also taught them invaluable skills in hostile boarding which they would later use to go rogue. This has been well documented...
According to one member of the media, it is more apt to call the pirates 'Voluntary Coast Guard'.
That's not what they've said at all. The media was explaining how pirates began as a vigilante 'privateers' because Europeans were taking advantage of the fact that they had no navy, and were illegally dumping radioactive and medical waste in their coastal waters, much of which was carried out by mafia related companies. The Somali fisherman then received arms from warlords and began boarding and searching illegal dumpers. Unfortunately, this also taught them invaluable skills in hostile boarding which they would later use to go rogue. This has been well documented...
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This is not going to make them think twice about the hijackings. It's their livelihood and they won't stop, just like a coal miner doesn't stop working if a co-worker dies in a mining accident.
What this will do is cause them to not negotiate with the US military anymore and view negotiation attempts with great suspicion. The Navy basically tricked them. One of the pirates was on the destroyer negotiating when this happened. I don't believe for one moment that the pirates were about to kill the hostage; why would they when one of their own was on the US vessel? The pirates now know the US Navy cannot be trusted and won't allow them to come close anymore, nor will they negotiate with anyone except the private shipping company.
This event won't stop the piracy; it will cause pirates to change their tactics.
What this will do is cause them to not negotiate with the US military anymore and view negotiation attempts with great suspicion. The Navy basically tricked them. One of the pirates was on the destroyer negotiating when this happened. I don't believe for one moment that the pirates were about to kill the hostage; why would they when one of their own was on the US vessel? The pirates now know the US Navy cannot be trusted and won't allow them to come close anymore, nor will they negotiate with anyone except the private shipping company.
This event won't stop the piracy; it will cause pirates to change their tactics.
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