Another Honda filter cut open

Honestly....

Read that somewhere in a thread on here and or the Acura webpage...

I'd have to try to find it again. But it struck me too.

However... I could believe it because the Honda filters have been speculated to be basically TGs in a Honda filter can. Though the filter media in these recently cut open filters looks even a bit better than TG filter media.
 
bbhero said:
Honestly....

Read that somewhere in a thread on here and or the Acura webpage...

I'd have to try to find it again. But it struck me too.

However... I could believe it because the Honda filters have been speculated to be basically TGs in a Honda filter can. Though the filter media in these recently cut open filters looks even a bit better than TG filter media.
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Only place I've seen anything actually published with an ISO 4548-12 test reference was the Amsoil filter efficiency comparison. That was many years ago, but the OEM Honda filter was 66.5% @ 20u then. Far cry from 99% @ 20u. It would only cost $2K to know for sure what it is now. :oops:😁 I highly doubt anyone can get efficiency test info directly from Honda.
 
Read it somewhere ...

Can't remember exactly where. But it is possible it maybe the case. Wouldn't surprise me. Either way. The fact these filters are made for Honda by Fram may well open the door to it being higher filtration media being used in them. Then again.. maybe Honda filters get their own designated filter media put in them and it's not as high efficiency.
 
bbhero said:
Read that somewhere in a thread on here and or the Acura webpage...
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Think those guys on the Acura website might be looking for an Occam's Razor fail. 😄 Maybe they think that since Fram makes the OEM filters, and the media "looks like" the TG, then it must be a TG. :unsure:
 
Maybe.... One of them made the claim with ISO testing involved in what they stated. It did stike me as interesting to read.

If anything....


The filter media in the several recent Honda filters looks better than current supposed "ultra" filter media. No wavy media here... And a slightly longer filter too vs a 4967.
 
bbhero said:
Maybe.... One of them made the claim with ISO testing involved in what they stated. It did stike me as interesting to read.
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If you can find the source/thread again, please post up a link.

If there was any actual ISO efficiency testing done (like Amsoil farmed out for their comparison test), it would most likely have to be by an independent lab because I'd bet Honda will never divulge the OEM Honda filter efficiency.
 
ZeeOSix said:
...If there was any actual ISO efficiency testing done (like Amsoil farmed out for their comparison test), it would most likely have to be by an independent lab because I'd bet Honda will never divulge the OEM Honda filter efficiency.
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I for one 'won't' take that bet. About 10 years ago now, had a Fram engineer (same guy that supplied enlightening info on air filter efficiency) tell me that while the Honda A02 may look similar to the TG, the former are not very efficient. He wouldn't give up a specific spec, and I get that. But, it did/does agree with the A02 independent lab Amsoil ISO test results.

As for A02 comparison to TG construction, fwiw in my observation and experience the A02 endcaps do appear thicker than the equivalent Fram offerings.

Topic filter does look fine for the 10k mile 2 oci, fci.
 
Sayjac said:
I for one 'won't' take that bet. About 10 years ago now, had a Fram engineer (same guy that supplied enlightening info on air filter efficiency) tell me that while the Honda A02 may look similar to the TG, the former are not very efficient. He wouldn't give up a specific spec, and I get that. But, it did/does agree with the A02 independent lab Amsoil ISO test results.

As for A02 comparison to TG construction, fwiw in my observation and experience the A02 endcaps do appear thicker than the equivalent Fram offerings.

Topic filter does look fine for the 10k mile 2 oci, fci.
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TG is better than A02?
 
We have been down the road on the center tube thing before, recent unused 7317/A02s I have done the center tube is not glued, the ADBV, Leaf spring and media to end cap joint is the divider between clean/dirty… if the media was sufficiently strong to support itself you could throw the center tube away. And the filter would operate no differently.

This myth that the A02 is just a blue tough guard just will not die in spite of obvious differences like one more pleat taken up by the metal seam clamp.

Jay did confirm the Amsoil test, he said it was supposed to be one point different than it tested IIRC. I assume he decided that since the number was out there he was not actually disclosing anything proprietary.
 
ZeeOSix said:
If you can find the source/thread again, please post up a link.

If there was any actual ISO efficiency testing done (like Amsoil farmed out for their comparison test), it would most likely have to be by an independent lab because I'd bet Honda will never divulge the OEM Honda filter efficiency.
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Yeah I will see if I can find it.

It did catch my attention.

One thing to think about here is that the Amsoil test was a good while ago. And who knows if things have changed in say like 10 years since that test was done.

Candidly... I lean heavily towards it being the same as the Amsoil test showed ten years ago.
 
It looks good. Thank you for sharing. I'm looking forward to running another Honda OE blue filter. It has been a good 8 years + since I've used one.
 
ApexEight said:
But isn't the 99% filtration at 20 microns the Fram Ultra efficiency, not TG?
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*FRAM Group testing of average filter efficiency of PH8A, 3387A and 4967 or equivalent FRAM TG or XG models under ISO 4548-12 for particles greater than 20 microns.
 
tyman said:
*FRAM Group testing of average filter efficiency of PH8A, 3387A and 4967 or equivalent FRAM TG or XG models under ISO 4548-12 for particles greater than 20 microns.
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So the TG and Ultra use the same filtration media but differ in construction?

Also can you tell me what changed with the new Ultra filters? Trying to catch up on latest developments.
 
ApexEight said:
So the TG and Ultra use the same filtration media but differ in construction?

Also can you tell me what changed with the new Ultra filters? Trying to catch up on latest developments.
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There is a massive thread on this. If you go read it I can’t imagine you would still have many questions.

As to the A02 being changed from years past - I find that unlikely without a part number change, I don’t see Honda significantly revising the specifications provided to a manufacturer without revisions to the part number. Also in absence of a defined need why would they change it. Only an idiotic manufacturer would risk a contract like that by not following the RFP stipulations.

Topic cut filter looks fine, no problems evident and could likely have gone longer, Hondas with a fixed interval (like our old 2005 Civic) specifying 10,000 mile intervals with a filter change every other OCI = A02 is 20,000 mile filter.
 
Looks good to me. Honestly, until recently I had the dealer do my oil changes (didnt have a garage until a couple years ago anyways) and they used to run the oil filters 24K between changes. Its the maintenance schedule that Honda recommends.
Now that I do my own oil changes, I still run the oil 12K but I change the filter every time. I figure that since Im already under the car, why not just change it and have the peace of mind?
 
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