This time a double decker bus with people on board.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67944657
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67944657
Another EV goes up in flames.
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Why is it that nobody cares when ICE cars catch fire?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40163966/cars-catching-fire-new-york-times-real-statistics/
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40163966/cars-catching-fire-new-york-times-real-statistics/
Because some whip themselves in such a frenzy over EVs that any bad press is a huge win for them. It’s weird, unhealthy, and at some levels just sad.
Scary!!
This is enough for me. I will never again drive, ride in, stand beside, or discuss EVs, forever!
Goodbye.
Goodbye.
Here's an article about a conventionally powered bus catching on fire last year, https://www.itv.com/news/london/202...burning-bus-as-flames-tear-through-engine-bay
In fact there were a rash of intentionally set bus fires set in London not that long ago. The article above mentions it. ""We are appealing to the public for any information to help us apprehend whoever is responsible for these fires."
In fact there were a rash of intentionally set bus fires set in London not that long ago. The article above mentions it. ""We are appealing to the public for any information to help us apprehend whoever is responsible for these fires."
Not really! Personally I couldn't care less about ev's, I will never own one but the reason for the negativity is quite simple, you and a few others are such rabid ev fans and the rhetoric amounts to nothing more than ball busting. That is why I say a separate ev forum is probably better for you guys then you can blow smoke up each others backside all day with no unwanted comments.
I do not go to a Tesla forum and comment, I don't even look at it or go to a BMW forum and bust balls about how great some other car is.
That’s not what it looks like to me and I’ve been a member here for 14 years, well before I had anything to do with EVs. It doesn’t make the goings on around here any less weird.
Anyone with an axe to grind against EVs would jump at the chance to do so. Just like I wouldn't stop from reminding people that not all Toyotas or Hondas are as infallible as they claim to be. Doesn't stop others from protesting how wrong I am.
How many ICE bus fires do you need to equal the pollution caused by one BEV bus fire?
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Despite the biases on both sides of this issue, perhaps we can take a hint from an industry that only cares about money, not feelings ...
Auto insurance companies are starting to raise rates for EV ownership, based on data that would convince them EVs are a higher risk.
I have a distant relative who recently mentioned his insurance went up, solely because he indicated he stored his EV in the garage as part of the insurance application at time of purchase. It affected his homeowner's policy, not his car policy. Apparently, according to him, the car policy would cover a fire if the EV was outside the building, whereas the homeowner's policy would cover a fire if the EV was inside the building.
EVs represent a very small portion of the overall market. But they are growing in market share; albeit a bit slower these days. However, the insurance company does not have any BITOG bias; they merely care about the fiscal bottom line. If data is developing to indicate that EVs are a concern in house fires, then maybe we should accept this as an indicator that some amount of truth is present to the issue at hand.
Auto insurance companies are starting to raise rates for EV ownership, based on data that would convince them EVs are a higher risk.
I have a distant relative who recently mentioned his insurance went up, solely because he indicated he stored his EV in the garage as part of the insurance application at time of purchase. It affected his homeowner's policy, not his car policy. Apparently, according to him, the car policy would cover a fire if the EV was outside the building, whereas the homeowner's policy would cover a fire if the EV was inside the building.
EVs represent a very small portion of the overall market. But they are growing in market share; albeit a bit slower these days. However, the insurance company does not have any BITOG bias; they merely care about the fiscal bottom line. If data is developing to indicate that EVs are a concern in house fires, then maybe we should accept this as an indicator that some amount of truth is present to the issue at hand.
Maybe because EVs are a class D fire, and are nearly impossible to extinguish?
Also, ICE fires are a significantly smaller fraction of overall vehicles, and there are generally warning signs like poor overall vehicle condition and a fuel smell. Sometimes not, but once an EV starts it’s like trying to extinguish a Roman candle with your bare hands. Ain’t happening.
ICE aren't a significantly smaller fraction of fires, not even close. They usually much easier to control though so they don’t make big news like this. If this wasn’t an EV though it wouldn’t be worldwide news. We wouldn’t have even heard about it.
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In addition to those mentioned above, most ICE fires are on much older vehicles or those that have been modified extensively.
On EV's, those are brand new (or close to it) and significantly more expensive to purchase.
The costs to replace (not repair, because nobody is fixing a burnt-out EV) are also considerably higher than ICE vehicles...so it ends up costing everyone more in insurance premiums.
Even if there are 20,000 ICE fires a year (it’s probably less, this is just for example), there are 270+ million on the road. EVs make up less than 7% of all vehicles on the road but have a much higher rate, and they make the news because they’re generally 2-3 alarm fires depending on where they burn, and some have taken over 6,000 gallons to extinguish a single EV fire. Meanwhile, 6,000 gallons may extinguish 20 or more ICE fires on average.
We don’t have to argue on semantics; the ugly truth is that every facet of EVs have downsides: range limitations due to weather, fire risks, road deterioration, refueling, etc. You can certainly love your EV and in some cases they make sense for people; even I don’t argue that. You want to own an EV, I’m all for that. But if I don’t want one, nobody’s shoving one down my throat.
Anyone preaching that EVs will save the planet, or that mandating people to buy only EVs is logical and sane should immediately be suspect. And I admit that for the most part that’s not anyone on this board, and not the target of this post. My anger lies with those who think they get to choose for me while not having to suffer the consequences of their own idiocy and short-sightedness.
You understand this is the EV section, right? Respectfully, why do you spend so much time here if you could care less about EVs?
Your actions; even your avatar, etc would say you care a lot about EVs. Actions speak louder than words.
There is a reason some EV owners are rabid about their cars, just like Porsches, Vettes, you name it. They like them.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/consumer-alert-kia-and-hyundai-park-outside
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/consumer-alert-important-ford-and-lincoln-fire-risk-recall
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-rav4-suv-2023/
Literally EVERY vehicle is a fire risk, doesn't matter who, how, or why.
Everyone remember Ford ignition switches choosing to spontaneously combust?
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/consumer-alert-important-ford-and-lincoln-fire-risk-recall
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-rav4-suv-2023/
Literally EVERY vehicle is a fire risk, doesn't matter who, how, or why.
Everyone remember Ford ignition switches choosing to spontaneously combust?
So we shouldn't let people own Corvettes, Ferrari, Lambo, or any other ultra expensive car. C'mon man....
And I'll park next to either but not an EV. I'm just not that rabid.
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