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I've seen a few guys mention the Redline Si-1 cleaner... I have used it before and didn't really notice any difference. I've seen a few guys say they like it but I've seen others say they really don't like it or recommend it.

Why is the Redline good or bad? What is it?

How does it compare to this Amsoil and FP?
 
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Thanks for the info. When my Vibe approached 60k, I told my mechanic to order a fuel filter for it. Not thinking, I had never even looked where it was located on the car. When it came in, he showed it to me and it was huge! It looked like the fuel pump mounted inside of it too. I just said to send it back.

I'll check if my cars have the access panel under the rear seat. That would sure make changing the pump and filter easier. I generally like to do that around 150k miles even if the pump is still good. They often die without warning so changing them early assures me that I won't have to deal with a dead car 300 miles from home.
 
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Originally posted by 2004 F150 4x4:
What does this stuff cost?

Here's a link to the retail prices http://intershop.amsoil.com/cgi-bin/Amsoil.storefront/415cf8f60605d832271cd1f0e3f006b1/Catalog/1186

Preferred customer/dealer prices would be around 25% less.

EDIT: that may be a session based link and might not work for you. If not, just go to www.amsoil.com and then navigate your way through the online store to the PI performance improver gasoline additive

[ October 01, 2004, 02:35 AM: Message edited by: olympic ]
 
Changing the fuel filter at no later than 30K should be a must. I saw a Toyota that had not been changed in 90K and it wouldn't start so the crap that gets in the gas tank today justifys something but If you have a fuel filter change it every 2 years when you change the coolent.
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Haven't tried the Amsoil or RL yet but of all the rest on the shelf, I had best luck by far with Berryman complete fuel system cleaner and I pretty much tried them all from retail shelves, STP, Techron etc..
 
I had an '01 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L that I used PI in. It fouled the plugs out and caused misfires severe enough to set a MIL light. When pulled, all 6 plugs had a varying degree of black, shiny deposits on them. Installed a new set of plugs and ran the remainder of that tank thru, and pulled this set, and they too had some blackish deposits on them. It got one more set of plugs and I never used PI again. The rest of the bottle got tossed into the burn barrel as starter fuel.
 
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Originally posted by GT Mike:
I had an '01 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L that I used PI in. It fouled the plugs out and caused misfires severe enough to set a MIL light.

I have never seen anything but normal plugs while running PI for almost 2 years now. I think you had another problem with your engine (possibly ignition) or contaminated fuel and were attributing it to PI.

Misfires will cause oil to get past the rings into the combustion chamber where you will get shiney black deposits.

It wasn't the PI. Perhaps one of your employees was gaslighting you by spiking your fuel with used oil or synthetic oil to eliminate any smoke.
 
Sorry GT Mike, but PI didn't do that. Not sure what was in your tank, or what PI cleaned out of your fuel lines and injectors, but the PI alone didn't do that. I have used it too many times, have sold A LOT OF THE STUFF, I MEAN A LOT, AND NEVER ONE FOULED PLUG........my neighbors all use it, I give it to my mom and dad and brother and coworkers....I'm pretty sure I would know by now if it caused fouled plugs.
 
I'm going by what I observed with my own two eyes. This Jeep was purchased nearly brand new with only 6600 miles on the clock when I took delivery, and I always used quality gasoline, 90% of the time it was BP (Amoco) regular from a newer facility that sold lots of fuel. When I was on my Amsoil kick, my rep gave me a bottle to try since the Jeep 4.0 is an engine suceptable to carbon deposits and he assured me this would help keep carbon to a minimum. The Jeep had less than 20,000 miles on it when this happened. I did the initial "cleanup" dose of PI, and in that same tank of fuel was when I started having the aforementioned problems. After a few more tanks of "unmolested" fuel from the same station, the plugs continued to stay clean and white.

My Jeep stayed in my GF's garage at night, and during the day was always in plain view while I was at work, so there's little to no chance of anyone screwing with the fuel, and nobody that would even think of doing such a thing that I worked with.

Don't have an explination, just stating what had happened when I used this product.

There's no way that it had any sort of mechanical or igniton problem to speak of. If that were the case it wouldn't have started misfiring due to fouled plugs on the same tank that I added the PI to, and then disappear once that tank was used up. If anything contaminated the fuel, this additive was the only thing that was out of the ordinary. I had never run any additives in the fuel prior to this, and I'm sure the dealership that I bought it from didn't either...It was a "demo" that the new car manager drove and was then sold as used due to the excessive mileage.

[ October 04, 2004, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: GT Mike ]
 
I agree with PAblo, been using it for 10 years or so with multiple engines, 1 car every tankful for 12 years and never had a fouled plug. Guess it could happen but not the norm.
 
My hunch after using both products is that the Amsoil PI has roughly the same chemistry as the Red Line SI fuel cleaner. Red Line adds red dye, but otherwise the two seem to perform the same and even smell the same (a very faint but not unpleasant ammonia-like odor). A lot of people including myself swear by and regularly use the Red Line product, so the Amsoil would seem to be at least as good if it has comparable chemistry.
 
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Originally posted by Pablo:
GT Mike - I believe you. I just want to know the root cause. Maybe there was some contaminant in that PI
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Perhaps it worked to good and the carbon in the cylinders came off in large flakes and caused misfires as they shorted out the electrode. With small gap electrodes this could easily happen. A larger gap might not experience any problems like this.
 
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Originally posted by msparks:
"WOW, that stuff works, my gas milage shot up on this tank and the truck is more responsive".
  • Performance Features
  • Cleans fuel injectors, intake valves and carburetors
  • Dissolves carbon and varnish deposits
  • Contains properties to control rust and friction
  • Reduces exhaust emissions
  • Increases fuel economy

I started using this stuff 3 months ago. All of a sudden women started to find me more attractive, and my boss gave me a raise. I started telling my friends about it, and once they started using it I started getting more attention from women than ever, and I was appointed V.P. of my company! One friend, to whom I recommended this product, decided not to use it. His child became deathly ill. I happened to mention the product again a while later, and he decided to try it this time. A short time thereafter, his child experienced a miraculous recovery.

Sorry msparks just had to do it. Glas this product is working for some people.
 
Amsoil PI

I have used it for over 10 years. Add 1 ounce per 10 gallons prior to fill ups.

I havent had a bad injector on all my cars. However have never noticed any better mileage.

I just took a part a 2.5 Turbo engine out of my 89 Shadow. Head gasket failed (only reason I am taking it apart and going thru it)so I am rebuilding the engine. Engine had 194,xxx miles. Tops of pistons were very clean, no junk on the back face of the valves. I'll let you know if it needs guides once my freind is done having the machine work completed. Note I dont have a "Control" engine to compare to where people didnt use any additive but my friend who works on these engines was impressed with the condition for that many miles. he says they generally have a lot more build up. Note car used
Amsoil 0w30 with filters(spin on and bypass) and 2 year 25K drains. Drive the car in the winter.

I do have a question on all these other additives I read about here, what is in Lube Control and Fuel Power?? Are they any better??

VNT
 
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