Anyone have any experience with this stuff? My local NAPA stocks it, along with a few other Amsoil products. I was thinking about picking some of the 5W-30 up for the oil change after the next (Valvoline Maxlife blend 5W-30). Haven't heard too much about it.... Any good info on it, experience, hidden UOA/VOAs, whatever?
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It has been discussed a lot in the past, not so much now since Edge was in the spotlight and PU is in the spotlight. It is a good group III oil, and has the API certs.
Using it on a Chevy Cavalier would IMHO be overkill and cost you more $$$ than you need to spend.
With the mileage you have I would suggest you switch to a popular HM Synthetic such as:
Valvoline MaxLife SYN or Blend 5w30...
Can be purchased at WalMart in 5 qt. jugs for less than Napa.
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Valvoline MaxLife SYN 5w30 / OCI 7000+/-
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With the mileage you have I would suggest you switch to a popular HM Synthetic such as:
Valvoline MaxLife SYN or Blend 5w30...
Can be purchased at WalMart in 5 qt. jugs for less than Napa.
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Ford Focus SE 2.3L / 83K
Valvoline MaxLife SYN 5w30 / OCI 7000+/-
Purolator PureOne
IMO the XL line is Amsoils best value. It's nothing real special.
It routinly out performs itself and the 7500 miles. I would Not pay over 6.50 for it at a retail location as PP, PU, and some mobil products are more readily available and are just as good if not better
It routinly out performs itself and the 7500 miles. I would Not pay over 6.50 for it at a retail location as PP, PU, and some mobil products are more readily available and are just as good if not better
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and some mobil products are more readily available and are just as good if not better
Sure, if you're going head to head on 6m/7500 miles ..who cares? SuperTech and any old cheap filter. Beyond that I think the distinctions would be more apparent.
I must admit it's getting a bit harder to get people to find the ceiling in getting value out of some of the products.
and some mobil products are more readily available and are just as good if not better
Sure, if you're going head to head on 6m/7500 miles ..who cares? SuperTech and any old cheap filter. Beyond that I think the distinctions would be more apparent.
I must admit it's getting a bit harder to get people to find the ceiling in getting value out of some of the products.
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and some mobil products are more readily available and are just as good if not better
Sure, if you're going head to head on 6m/7500 miles ..who cares? SuperTech and any old cheap filter. Beyond that I think the distinctions would be more apparent.
I must admit it's getting a bit harder to get people to find the ceiling in getting value out of some of the products.
It is getting harder as many of the other companies are catching up, but amsoil has built a great product into the XL and Amsoil has a huge following still. The XL line has a lower TBN but the retention seems to really hold up. Quality stocks and additives attribute to that. Just because one oil is grpIII doesn't make it the same as another that is groupIII.
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and some mobil products are more readily available and are just as good if not better
Sure, if you're going head to head on 6m/7500 miles ..who cares? SuperTech and any old cheap filter. Beyond that I think the distinctions would be more apparent.
I must admit it's getting a bit harder to get people to find the ceiling in getting value out of some of the products.
It is getting harder as many of the other companies are catching up, but amsoil has built a great product into the XL and Amsoil has a huge following still. The XL line has a lower TBN but the retention seems to really hold up. Quality stocks and additives attribute to that. Just because one oil is grpIII doesn't make it the same as another that is groupIII.
There are a few UOAs with the XL oil and the results have been outstanding.
I can't seem to see nay.. Do you think you could link a few while I dig through it?
EDIT: Every single Amsoil UOA I see is AFL, ASL, SSO, ASM etc. No XL anywhere to be seen. wEll that isn't exactly true, there is one, but the picture is broken.
EDIT: Every single Amsoil UOA I see is AFL, ASL, SSO, ASM etc. No XL anywhere to be seen. wEll that isn't exactly true, there is one, but the picture is broken.
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Originally Posted By: DieselTech
IMO the XL line is Amsoils best value. It's nothing real special.
It routinly out performs itself and the 7500 miles. I would Not pay over 6.50 for it at a retail location as PP, PU, and some mobil products are more readily available and are just as good if not better
Some peoples life seems to be better with Amsoil in the crankcase. Nothing wrong with that.
IMO the XL line is Amsoils best value. It's nothing real special.
It routinly out performs itself and the 7500 miles. I would Not pay over 6.50 for it at a retail location as PP, PU, and some mobil products are more readily available and are just as good if not better
Some peoples life seems to be better with Amsoil in the crankcase. Nothing wrong with that.
I have nothing aginst Amsoil. I am not a advocate of extended drains, so thats probably why I never got involved with Amsoil. But I think Amsoil is becoming a dinosuar with all the synthetics out there and although they may argue about being superior or going longer drains. How much better can one get in the face of convinence and price, not to mention all the specials and rebates that make synthetic oils cheaper or the same price as Conventionals. Really when yo can get Quaker State full syn, 5 qts for $18 all the time. Its really hard to sell the Amsoil down the road.
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I have nothing aginst Amsoil. I am not a advocate of extended drains, so thats probably why I never got involved with Amsoil. But I think Amsoil is becoming a dinosuar with all the synthetics out there and although they may argue about being superior or going longer drains. How much better can one get in the face of convinence and price, not to mention all the specials and rebates that make synthetic oils cheaper or the same price as Conventionals. Really when yo can get Quaker State full syn, 5 qts for $18 all the time. Its really hard to sell the Amsoil down the road.
Except almost every over the counter "synthetic" is really processed group 3 mineral oil........dont let the marketing fool you.
I have nothing aginst Amsoil. I am not a advocate of extended drains, so thats probably why I never got involved with Amsoil. But I think Amsoil is becoming a dinosuar with all the synthetics out there and although they may argue about being superior or going longer drains. How much better can one get in the face of convinence and price, not to mention all the specials and rebates that make synthetic oils cheaper or the same price as Conventionals. Really when yo can get Quaker State full syn, 5 qts for $18 all the time. Its really hard to sell the Amsoil down the road.
Except almost every over the counter "synthetic" is really processed group 3 mineral oil........dont let the marketing fool you.
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
I have nothing aginst Amsoil. I am not a advocate of extended drains, so thats probably why I never got involved with Amsoil. But I think Amsoil is becoming a dinosuar with all the synthetics out there and although they may argue about being superior or going longer drains. How much better can one get in the face of convinence and price, not to mention all the specials and rebates that make synthetic oils cheaper or the same price as Conventionals. Really when yo can get Quaker State full syn, 5 qts for $18 all the time. Its really hard to sell the Amsoil down the road.
Here's where your rationale works. Former people who would not do 6 months without using an oil like the 1year/25k Amsoil products are getting the confidence to use OTC synthetics in that capacity. They aren't typically going to the 7500 mile mark over that 6 months.
For those users, it comes down to 150% overkill versus 300% overkill, and the 150% overkill is at a discount.
OLM users may choose above common conventional to bolster their faith in the mechanism.
Demographics has a decent influence here too. The mega commuter is getting retired. The neurotic soccer parents are lessor in numbers.
There's still enough of them to support expanding sales. Keep in mind that the demographic here is weighted on the older side, so we've got a biased view.
I will eventually test the XL line for well beyond the suggested 7500/6month limits. I'm sure it's capable of probably double in the right service ..that is, one year.
I have nothing aginst Amsoil. I am not a advocate of extended drains, so thats probably why I never got involved with Amsoil. But I think Amsoil is becoming a dinosuar with all the synthetics out there and although they may argue about being superior or going longer drains. How much better can one get in the face of convinence and price, not to mention all the specials and rebates that make synthetic oils cheaper or the same price as Conventionals. Really when yo can get Quaker State full syn, 5 qts for $18 all the time. Its really hard to sell the Amsoil down the road.
Here's where your rationale works. Former people who would not do 6 months without using an oil like the 1year/25k Amsoil products are getting the confidence to use OTC synthetics in that capacity. They aren't typically going to the 7500 mile mark over that 6 months.
For those users, it comes down to 150% overkill versus 300% overkill, and the 150% overkill is at a discount.
OLM users may choose above common conventional to bolster their faith in the mechanism.
Demographics has a decent influence here too. The mega commuter is getting retired. The neurotic soccer parents are lessor in numbers.
There's still enough of them to support expanding sales. Keep in mind that the demographic here is weighted on the older side, so we've got a biased view.
I will eventually test the XL line for well beyond the suggested 7500/6month limits. I'm sure it's capable of probably double in the right service ..that is, one year.
Gary, if I bought it from you, how much would 5 quarts of Amsoil XL be? And how much would a filter be?
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I have not a clue what you just said. I was following you ok at the 150% and 300% part then you went off about Mega computer and the neurotics, I fell off the truck. Did you ever consider that out of your expanding sales market that 70% of people have no idea what oil is in their crankcase, nor care and the other 20% are all enamored by all the pretty colors in the oil section with the neat names like Ultra, Edge and Ultimate durability with dancing golden horses, that leaves you with a good 5% of the neurotics at your disposal. Ill try to keep up.
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That was mega commuter. Lots of people did it, in fact it was a preferred way to get a cheaper, but better, home. Legions did it for decades. Now they're retiring. A soccer parent is so busy since they cram so much into so little time. Kids to soccer/baseball/ballet/boyscouts/practice ..tons of stuff from just after grade school until they get a license. Those types of users can benefit from extended drain oils.
You're right. Many do not know what's in their crankcase. Many who come here only think they know something about it even if they do know what's in it.
..but as you can see with the growth of BITOG, there are those learning on a daily basis.
You're right. Many do not know what's in their crankcase. Many who come here only think they know something about it even if they do know what's in it.
..but as you can see with the growth of BITOG, there are those learning on a daily basis.
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Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Gary, if I bought it from you, how much would 5 quarts of Amsoil XL be? And how much would a filter be?
I'll PM you.
Gary, if I bought it from you, how much would 5 quarts of Amsoil XL be? And how much would a filter be?
I'll PM you.
Interesting. Even with all the other oils out there, I have the itch to try Amsoil. I really want to try it in my Cav, but I would have to figure out what to do with my Napa stash first...
I feel the XL would be perfect combo for what I want to do-two oil changes a year. She doesn't see a truckload of miles either.
And I've to terms price doesn't matter with this car. (opposite reason why I bought the Napa)
Tough choices there...
I feel the XL would be perfect combo for what I want to do-two oil changes a year. She doesn't see a truckload of miles either.
And I've to terms price doesn't matter with this car. (opposite reason why I bought the Napa)
Tough choices there...
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