Amsoil, what are your thoughts?

[ltslimjim]

Originally Posted By: kemo

In the end... can't make a dollar without making the other guy look bad... what better way than to use generic graphs and controlling your own "tests"?


So, you admit this is true of all oil companies? Come on. I don't care how these oils are marketed really, I'm satisfied with an oil or not by trying the product, period. End of discussion.

 

[gaspo]

RP thoughts.. sound like 'my bigger than yours'..

How do you compare to Amsoil?

A study by North Carolina State university showed that Royal Purple improved fuel economy and reduced emissions when compared to Amsoil. Numerous independent users have also reported performance improvements when upgrading to Royal Purple. It’s important to note that any lubricant manufacturer can point to specific lab tests in which their products excel as evidence of product quality. Royal Purple products excel where it matters, in real world applications.

 

[Nayov]

Not a fan. They make a good product, but the dealers give it a bad name. I see they sell at NAPA now which is a smart move to increase their market share and help to eliminated the stigma left by the dealers. I'd like to give their 0W-30 a try once my M1 stash runs out.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: gaspo
RP thoughts.. sound like 'my bigger than yours'..

How do you compare to Amsoil?

A study by North Carolina State university showed that Royal Purple improved fuel economy and reduced emissions when compared to Amsoil. Numerous independent users have also reported performance improvements when upgrading to Royal Purple. It’s important to note that any lubricant manufacturer can point to specific lab tests in which their products excel as evidence of product quality. Royal Purple products excel where it matters, in real world applications.


Wow seek cover...........

It's all about marketing, and I'm sure any lab that is hired will give the results a company is looking for. Amsoil uses 4 balls, to show their oils ability, Castrol and Valvoline claimed better wear protection than M1. All from tests they paid for or conducted themselves. IMO unless I personally hire a lab that has no affiliation with anyone and I send off the products myself the lab reports are meaningless, advertising, hype. RP and Amsoil included, [I don't want anyone to think I'm picking on their favorite oil]. Run a test long enough, and pay for the testing, and you'll get the results you want to see. Oil is blended with profits in mind, profits come first, period. Every oil under the sun can be made better. Try them and do your own research and testing IGNORE hype from salesmen and advertising literature. Do your own homework and read make a decision based on that. JMO

PS NC Carolina State University might actually have a touch of credibility here, honestly. Who paid them? LOL

 

[Artem]

^i would guess... the Purple geeks.

 

[ltslimjim]

Even if they didn't(get paid), it's probably a 'this' Amsoil product didn't perform as well in said areas, as RP on 'this' vehicle. Very specific, not a general rule. That's all about the out of context and out of proportion hype that all companies do. I'd use Royal Purple if I wanted to, but I don't. I probably would if I had a pickup truck.

 

[Artem]

I like the fact that i get to buy the oil directly from the company. I can drive down to their warehouse and pick up the oil personally.

I like the exclusivity.

 

[PontiacFan]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
If you want to accuse Polaris of somehow cheating, you better be able to back that up.


I do not have to back anything up, remember we are all the ones buying whatever oil we chose, Polaris probably sends the numbers to Amsoil, you were the one that brought up the word CHEATING, maybe Amsoil gets the numbers from Polaris and then they switch the numbers around, how do we know is really being honest, I am willing to bet that if we sent a sample to Blackstone it would be totally different than what Amsoil would have posted, in my opinion I just feel that Amsoil would say anything to get more sales.

Unless I am wrong, I do not see Pennzoil putting up so called graphs that show there oil is better than Amsoil.

I have been around long enough that I am not going to be fooled by some Sales Pitch, the UOA's on Amsoil show us that this oil is not any better than the other oil's out there on the market today.

 

[Pablo]

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I do not have to back anything up,


At some point you will just be talking to yourself then. Usually when someone tries to come across as truthful and factual, they have backing data.

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Polaris probably sends the numbers to Amsoil……..maybe Amsoil gets the numbers from Polaris and then they switch the numbers around


You really do practice what you preach – you just say…..STUFF.

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I am willing to bet that if we sent a sample to Blackstone it would be totally different than what Amsoil would have posted


How much would that bet be? But then again, you could say $1M…..because no one would expect you to actually pay…..

Listen, I’m not sure what your agenda is, but people including myself have compared labs. I compared 4 labs! Minor differences and some usual inaccuracies from Blackstone, but relatively close results. Do it yourself and get some real data.

 

[dubie2003]

This is a great debate. You have followers in each camp that is supporting their product to the death, lol.

Personally I don't run Amsoil oils due to cost. I just don't find myself running the oil long enough to have it pay for itself. Heck, I run M1 at 5k OCIs (warranty and some heavy driving) and I can't get it into my mind to run it any longer or any oil for that matter. Then by the time I pay for a UOA, I'd rather just change it since it is therapy for me.

The NAPA comment is great thou, if it is available locally on the whim, I am sure more people will be willing to give it a try and I think this is the only way I would give it a try in the future.

On a side note, I am running their air filter in my Volant box so I am not completely against the company, lol.

In the end it is up to the consumer to decide what they want to run. They can do their own research, listen to everyones comments and opinions and then decide what they believe is true or not and go from there. The whole 8x wear protection or etc.... from some companies doesn't exactly hold true when you consider change intervals, driving conditions and then on top of all of that, are we sure it is all wear or is it just a single metal? In the end it is just best to use an oil that you are comfortable with and to always have your next change on hand so that if you find yourself in the situation where you feel the need to have to change it because of xyz, you can simple go out to the garage/driveway and get it done without having to make a trip to the store or wait for it to arrive thru the mail.

 

[PontiacFan]

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Usually when someone tries to come across as truthful and factual, they have backing data.


Maybe you can show us some data from a Lab like BLACKSTONE, that is in no way affiliated with Amsoil, and we can see if there oil is really better than the competition.

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You really do practice what you preach – you just say…..STUFF


If my gut feeling is telling me something, then I have to go with it.

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Listen, I’m not sure what your agenda is, but people including myself have compared labs. I compared 4 labs! Minor differences and some usual inaccuracies from Blackstone, but relatively close results. Do it yourself and get some real data.


The title of this thread is AMSOIL, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS.
I think we are all entitled to our opinions, when I see a company like Amsoil putting up graphs claiming to be the best, then it gets me thinking that they are hiding something.

My thought is that there are other oil's on the market that cost less than Amsoil and they give equal or better results.

 

[GMorg]

Below is a link to the NCSU report. If you look at the report, I think that it is noteworthy that each type of comparison was done with a different oil comparator. This may be due to the collaborations that NCSU had to make with fleets, but it is not a good experimental design.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tonnocover.com%2Fshared%2Fpdf%2Fmanufacturers%2F81%2Froyal_purple_report.pdf&rct=j&q=North%20Carolina%20State%20royal%20purple%20amsoil&ei=O1mKTb70MJCJ0QGu5dzwDQ&usg=AFQjCNGGH9RqwUXk9MCSuEjRHG8YbDlSfA