Amsoil, what are your thoughts?

[hooligan24]

my thoughts on amsoil.....

Wish they still made and sold Series 2000 0w30 TSO. SSO might be close or the same, but I was partial to what I was using at the time and it rubbed me the wrong way when they discontinued it. after my second UOA using it, wear particals were lower than the average VOA of most other oils.

I still use their motorcycle oils

 

[kemo]

Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast

We've been doing UOA testing on Amsoil versus....

Motorcraft
Castrol
Mobil 1

in the GT500 5.4L supercharged engine.

Guess what....nothing testing in that engine to date has performed as well as Amsoil. The other lubricants have higher metal wear ppm, higher % of shearing, lower ZDDP, lower TBN, etc....

Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast


I will say this again….I rely on UOAs to tell me what I need to know about Amsoil. So far, nothing I’ve seen a UOA on in a Shelby GT500 engine comes close.


Where are said UOA's? I searched and wasn't able to find them.

 

[chubbs1]

I have used Amsoil of and on and there is just something that comforts me when it is in the engine in the hot Florida summer. I am running G Oil right now because I wanted to put it through my own "torture test" with hot temps and AC use. I have to say because it is so new I don't trust it as much (a UOA will check that out) but back to Amsoil I like the fact they are smaller businesses with a quality product. I want as much of my money staying in the USA and if I spend a few extra bucks to have both peace of mind knowing I am using the top of the line lube, and supporting folks like you and me than I'm all for it!

 

[Artem]

^I see no better reason to use Amsoil. I'm a PC.

 

[S_Walmer]

I use amsoil products and I find them to be excellent. And I have used them for years, I don't really care for their pyramid marketing and the fact that I have to pay shipping and sales tax when I place an order .I could pick up at the warehouse but that's an hours drive in sometimes very heavy traffic. When I order I usually place a large order to make it worth it. I found Lubro Moly products (Engine Oils) to be comparable in performance and price locally. PAO base oil. Hope this helps.

 

[kemo]

so here is a question... why did amsoil change their phrase from:

Quote:
AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world's first API rated synthetic motor oil in 1972.


to

Quote:
AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world's first API qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972.


???

 

[Artem]

^^^ Hmmmm...

Amsoil PC here. Ex Mobil 1 user. I see no difference in my UOA between Amsoil and M1.

Both oils give me the warm fuzzy feeling inside.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: kemo
so here is a question... why did amsoil change their phrase from:

Quote:
AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world's first API rated synthetic motor oil in 1972.


to

Quote:
AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world's first API qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972.


???


I dunno ...but it sounds awfully suspicious if you ask me. Even more evidence that something is afoot in Superior, WI.

Good catch

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Artem
^^^ Hmmmm...

Amsoil PC here. Ex Mobil 1 user. I see no difference in my UOA between Amsoil and M1.

Both oils give me the warm fuzzy feeling inside.


That's some honest testimony I can respect!! If a product is working well for YOU, and you're comfortable using it that's all that really matters in the end.

 

[buster]

Some Amsoil products are among the best, some are average. I'm curious to see what the new GF-5/SN formulations will be like. Amsoil used to just use high levels of ZDP like Redline. Since GF-4 they started to follow the API more closely. The newer oils are using titanium, and different additives than the current Amsoil line.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: buster
Some Amsoil products are among the best, some are average. I'm curious to see what the new GF-5/SN formulations will be like. Amsoil used to just use high levels of ZDP like Redline. Since GF-4 they started to follow the API more closely. The newer oils are using titanium, and different additives than the current Amsoil line.


I plan to getting the SN versions of ASL and SSO to compare to my current lab reports with SM formulations.

I have Amsoil OE and XL, which of course are SN compliant already, and i've been getting awesome results from the OE line. (i've yet to test the XL to compare)

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Artem
^^^ Hmmmm...

Amsoil PC here. Ex Mobil 1 user. I see no difference in my UOA between Amsoil and M1.

Both oils give me the warm fuzzy feeling inside.


That's some honest testimony I can respect!! If a product is working well for YOU, and you're comfortable using it that's all that really matters in the end.


Exactly. I choose to become an Amsoil PC for the exclusivity of the oil, and the fact that my dealer brings the oil and filters directly to my door step for no extra cost is a HUGE reason why i'm now using it in all my cars.

Buying the oil in cases results in roughly the same price as M1 would cost me, so i'm happy using it.

 

[kemo]

Originally Posted By: Artem

Buying the oil in cases results in roughly the same price as M1 would cost me, so i'm happy using it.


24.50 M1 in 5 quart jugs at wally world... comes out to 4.90 a quart.

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: kemo
so here is a question... why did amsoil change their phrase from:

Quote:
AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world's first API rated synthetic motor oil in 1972.


to

Quote:
AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world's first API qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972.


???


I dunno ...but it sounds awfully suspicious if you ask me. Even more evidence that something is afoot in Superior, WI.

Good catch

Something tells me that someone called them out on it... there is no explanation whether or not they were the first to have a synthetic CERTIFIED by API.... otherwise they would have straight up changed it to that.

 

[ltslimjim]

Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Artem
^^^ Hmmmm...

Amsoil PC here. Ex Mobil 1 user. I see no difference in my UOA between Amsoil and M1.

Both oils give me the warm fuzzy feeling inside.


That's some honest testimony I can respect!! If a product is working well for YOU, and you're comfortable using it that's all that really matters in the end.


Exactly. I choose to become an Amsoil PC for the exclusivity of the oil, and the fact that my dealer brings the oil and filters directly to my door step for no extra cost is a HUGE reason why i'm now using it in all my cars.

Buying the oil in cases results in roughly the same price as M1 would cost me, so i'm happy using it.


I wish I could have a dealer get the products for me without shipping.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Artem
^^^ Hmmmm...

Amsoil PC here. Ex Mobil 1 user. I see no difference in my UOA between Amsoil and M1.

Both oils give me the warm fuzzy feeling inside.


That's some honest testimony I can respect!! If a product is working well for YOU, and you're comfortable using it that's all that really matters in the end.


Exactly. I choose to become an Amsoil PC for the exclusivity of the oil, and the fact that my dealer brings the oil and filters directly to my door step for no extra cost is a HUGE reason why i'm now using it in all my cars.

Buying the oil in cases results in roughly the same price as M1 would cost me, so i'm happy using it.


I found that buying oil like PP, PU, M1, or Edge when part of an oil change special was the way to go for me. It worked out to be much less, no PC fees, and no shipping. But like I said if the product is working well for you, and you're comfortable using it by all means continue. Thanks for the UOA reports!

 

[PontiacFan]

My thoughts on Amsoil have me to believe that something is going on.

We now know that Amsoil owns Oil Analyzers, anyone on this site can MAPQUEST this info.

Oil Analyzers address is 1101 Susquehanna Avenue, Superior, Wisconsin, 54880

The address for Amsoil Corporate Headquarters is 925 Tower Avenue, Superior, Wisconsin 54880

That is 1.16 miles between these two places.

If Amsoil owns an Oil Analysis Lab, then they can obviously play with the numbers and make there product look good. JMO

I do not have any hard data, but in all fairness, maybe some of the other oil companies have there own Oil Analysis Lab that they own.

Do we have any concrete data that Pennzoil, Mobil 1, Castrol, or even Valvoline are running there own UOA Labs.

I cannot see why Amsoil would not make a deal with a reputable UOA Lab like Blackstone.

What can Oil Analyzers do that Blackstone will not do, I really think something is going on here, it would be interesting to compare a UOA between these 2 Labs, and I am sure the results would be DIFFERENT.

 

[kemo]

Originally Posted By: PontiacFan
My thoughts on Amsoil have me to believe that something is going on.

We now know that Amsoil owns Oil Analyzers, anyone on this site can MAPQUEST this info.

Oil Analyzers address is 1101 Susquehanna Avenue, Superior, Wisconsin, 54880

The address for Amsoil Corporate Headquarters is 925 Tower Avenue, Superior, Wisconsin 54880

That is 1.16 miles between these two places.

If Amsoil owns an Oil Analysis Lab, then they can obviously play with the numbers and make there product look good. JMO

I do not have any hard data, but in all fairness, maybe some of the other oil companies have there own Oil Analysis Lab that they own.

Do we have any concrete data that Pennzoil, Mobil 1, Castrol, or even Valvoline are running there own UOA Labs.

I cannot see why Amsoil would not make a deal with a reputable UOA Lab like Blackstone.

What can Oil Analyzers do that Blackstone will not do, I really think something is going on here, it would be interesting to compare a UOA between these 2 Labs, and I am sure the results would be DIFFERENT.


In the end... can't make a dollar without making the other guy look bad... what better way than to use generic graphs and controlling your own "tests"?

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: PontiacFan
My thoughts on Amsoil have me to believe that something is going on.

We now know that Amsoil owns Oil Analyzers, anyone on this site can MAPQUEST this info.

Oil Analyzers address is 1101 Susquehanna Avenue, Superior, Wisconsin, 54880

The address for Amsoil Corporate Headquarters is 925 Tower Avenue, Superior, Wisconsin 54880

That is 1.16 miles between these two places.

If Amsoil owns an Oil Analysis Lab, then they can obviously play with the numbers and make there product look good. JMO

I do not have any hard data, but in all fairness, maybe some of the other oil companies have there own Oil Analysis Lab that they own.

Do we have any concrete data that Pennzoil, Mobil 1, Castrol, or even Valvoline are running there own UOA Labs.

I cannot see why Amsoil would not make a deal with a reputable UOA Lab like Blackstone.

What can Oil Analyzers do that Blackstone will not do, I really think something is going on here, it would be interesting to compare a UOA between these 2 Labs, and I am sure the results would be DIFFERENT.


A couple things. It's pretty normal for lubricant companies to have the capability to analyze lubricants. I don't think it's any secret Amsoil has the capability as well and does the service through OAI - it's right on the Amsoil web page. And they continue with that division, despite the fact that all the UOA services are actually performed by Polaris Labs in:

* Indianapolis
* Houston
* Salt Lake City
* Atlanta
* Edmonton
Which are a fully accredited lab.

http://www.polarislabs1.com/iso-17025.php

So before you get too much off in the weeds, you may want to learn the facts. If you want to accuse Polaris of somehow cheating, you better be able to back that up.

 

[kcfx4]

gotta say its a good find tho/maybe

 

[pcfxer]

We use XL 5w-30 in our Nissan Sentra 2.0, my Dad loves it for the fact that 36km of highway + 9km of city = cool to touch oil. First oil that ever did that for my Dad.

In my QR25DE Spec-V, after 4km of city driving the oil is warm to touch with visible bubbles. Unfortunately that doesn't mean much since my engine has 1200km, very new, high compression, etc. etc..

I'm going to opt for XL in my car for at least the first few changes, to let the engine break-in properly and will report back.