I think that reference post erroneously states that the Premium PCEO HPL oil has PAO. That’s inconsistent with the pour point data in the PDSs. Other posts and the data sheets seem to reinforce that PAO doesn’t enter the HPL PCEO line until you get to Premium Plus.
Fwiw, the extra 0.5 mpg I’m getting so far from HPL will save roughly $110 over a 10K OCI.Appreciate the quote but obviously others have argued it for years.
As long as your vehicle is an extended interval candidate, it's likely a wash on it's cost vs other oils OTS.
If it's 3k-5k intervals at 2-3 months each, the value isn't there obviously; unless you just love the brand. Nothing wrong with overpaying for oil, necessarily, as it's not a huge cost right?
But, the argument on cost alone becomes marginal, at best, if *safely* extending the interval to a year, 15k-20k etc.
If you're just dumping AMSOIL Signature Series at 3k in a couple of months; for whatever reason, obviously it's a waste.
Folks are so afraid of it performing like an entry level OTS synthetic basically. If that's the case, could there still be this belief "oil is just oil" somewhere in there? Bob would never.That's why we're here! Some vehicles it may not matter mostly, based on vehicle combined with service conditions.
Still, though, it's a (relatively) small cost over life of ownership and you aren't hurting anything other than some pocket cash even if you don't extend the interval as much as it could be.
Honestly, why is it only the OOP cost folks argue based on anyway? It's low hanging fruit and a tired beaten horse.
You aren't getting worse performance; at a minimum, and you've got headroom if you forgot the oil change last month, etc. It's not a question in product performance! It's a proven product line. (Signature Series)
For me personally, I prefer it for peace of mind these days because my wife became disabled years ago now. One thing you learn to adapt to living with an ill relative is that it's one less thing to worry about or do as frequently. They get more of your time and you have more energy overall.
Just 1 oil change a year. Done. I know the Signature Series can go the year with my used oil analysis to back it. What's not to like?
Fwiw, the extra 0.5 mpg I’m getting so far from HPL will save roughly $110 over a 10K OCI.
I’m getting paid to run HPL, sort of. Now, don’t twist my words, anybody—i’m not actually paid by HPL and have no relationship with them.
My shilling is entirely legitimate
List of WalMart oils I'd readily choose before Royal Purple:
Gomer be sayin’ Shazam !!!
Yup 100% agree that other post is wrong. Ive posted this before but ill do it again
And it's Purple when you pour it in.
One important distinction is that they aren’t the ones making the oil filters. They didn’t “make” them, but yes they are responsible for what they put their label on.
Agree. That's why I referenced finding a new vendor.
I guess if we dive down technically they don't "make" their additives or bases for their oil, etc, but they do control the process of blending ingredients; including rejecting poor supplier shipments of such. Then, they perform testing along the way, and validating their products before bottling them to be sold. They actually have in house data to prove it will work in the field and don't rely on the field to guinea pig issues. They aren't just coming up with a formula and blending hoping that simply having "better" ingredients creates a better end product. We've seen how fully formulated oils are a balancing act and while OTS oils can be improved upon; to varying degrees, it can also get a lot worse just throwing random ingredients in thinking more is better.
Beside the obvious stuff (marketing gear, shirts, hat, etc.), I would guess they re-bottle the detailing liquids and gear. That's new product and probably not something they would invest a whole production line into without testing out the market first. Not to mention that market is already flooded with custom products.
