Amsoil void warranty

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i know this question is asked alot. i know that except for the 15w40 synthetic blend (agreat oil that i use in my 95 powerstroke) amsoil diesel oils are not api certified. like most maintenace nuts i save all my reciepts and keep go track of everything i do to my vehicles (i am a diesel mechanic and try to do all my own work on my trucks)

however my wife will be buying a powerstroke that is still under warranty. will running amsoil full synthetic series 3000 5w30 or ame 15w40 void my warranty if the poroblem is oil related and i show them reciepts for amsoil?
what is the general consensus on the board?
thanks
if its a problem them oh-hum i'll just run shaeffers
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There are plenty of high quality API certified oils which will do a great job at the mfg. recommended OCI. I see no reason to give yourself any additional worries by using a non-certified product.

John
 
Amsoil not only warrantees all their lubricants, they warranty them for extended drain use even in brand new vehicles. At the other extreme your engine could have 500,000 miles on it and Amsoil would warranty their oil just the same, provided the engine is still mechanically sound.

I'd estimate that 80%-90% of my local customers run extended drains and have been doing so for the past ten years. There has never been an issue with this practice, and I also run extended drains from day one in my personal vehicles. The only reason I'm not doing so with my 2002 Audi TT turbo is that I feel 10,000 mile oil/filter changes are about right for that vehicle....

It's a NON-ISSUE and always has been. However it's one of the few things folks can find to criticize Amsoil about, so it comes up again and again.

I'd recommend running the new Amsoil 10w-30, HD diesel oil (ACD) in your new PSD. It's the same price as the 15w-40 and is made without the use of polymeric thickeners, so it's completely shear stable....

TS
 
Two official statements from Amsoil:

quote:

Manufacturers’ warranties are based upon the use of oils meeting specific API Service Classifications, for example, SJ/CF. (AMSOIL lubricants meet the current API Service requirements and, thus, are perfectly suited for use in any new vehicle without affecting the validity of the new vehicle warranty.)

quote:

AMSOIL INC. of Superior, Wisconsin hereby warrants that its lubricants are fit for use according to the written recommendations of AMSOIL INC. and in applications specifying one or more of the standards set forth in the product data bulletins and product labels. AMSOIL INC. further warrants its products to be free of defective materials, design, and workmanship.

THIS WARRANTY IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING LIMITATIONS:
1. This warranty only applies to AMSOIL lubricants for which a separate, specific warranty is not written.
2. The warranty herein applies only to AMSOIL lubricants, which are packaged by AMSOIL INC. and sold by AMSOIL INC. or an authorized distributor.
3. The liability of AMSOIL INC. shall be limited to:

a. Replacement of the defective lubricant.
b. The cost, including labor and materials, to repair damaged equipment, or at the option of AMSOIL INC., the cost to replace damaged equipment, resulting directly from the use of AMSOIL INC. lubricants when used in the proper applications.
4. AMSOIL INC. shall not be liable for special, incidental, or consequential damages including, but not limited to, damage or loss of other property or equipment, loss of profits or revenue, cost of capital, business interruption, lodging, towing, or cost of replacement equipment. The liability of AMSOIL INC. arising out of the manufacture, sale, delivery, installation, technical directions or recommendation of any lubricant- whether in contract, tort, warranty or otherwise - shall not exceed the value of the equipment in which the product(s) were used. The remedies to the purchaser herein are exclusive.
5. In the event of a claim against AMSOIL INC., the procedure below must be completely followed.

a. Where the original warranty from the equipment manufacturer is still in effect, the customer shall file a warranty claim with the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) in accordance with the OEM warranty procedure.
b. Customer shall retain failed parts for inspection by AMSOIL INC. unless given to the OEM.
c. Customer shall also, within 30 days of failure, notify AMSOIL INC. and provide the following:

(a.) An eight (8) ounce representative oil sample taken from the failed equipment and put into a clean container.
(b.) Documentation including make, model, and year of equipment, total accumulated miles and/or hours, and duty cycle or service environment.
(c.) Equipment or vehicle maintenance history documentation including miles or hours at the time of AMSOIL lubricant installation, general equipment repairs, and oil analysis results if available.
(d.) Proof of purchase for AMSOIL lubricant.
(e.) Batch number from oil container or Certificate of Analysis.
d.

Mail the above sample and information to:

AMSOIL INC., Attn: Technical Services
AMSOIL Bldg.
Superior, WI 54880
e. In cases where the OEM warranty is still in effect and that warranty coverage is denied based on the use of an AMSOIL lubricant, the customer shall immediately notify AMSOIL INC. and provide a written copy of the OEM warranty denial.
f. AMSOIL INC. may, at its option, notify its insurance carrier of the claim.
g. AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier may conduct an investigation that includes, but is not limited to, an inspection of the failed parts, a review of the operating conditions, and a thorough review of the information requested above. The customer agrees to cooperate with such investigation.
h. If AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier pays a claim, an attempt may be made to recover amounts paid from the OEM. If this occurs, the customer may be asked to provide further information pertaining to the failure and to cooperate with AMSOIL INC. or its insurer in the recovery process.
THE WARRANTY MAY NOT BE EXTENDED TO COVER:
1. AMSOIL lubricants used in mechanically deficient equipment as a result of abnormal operation; negligence; abuse; damage from casualty, shipment or accident; or equipment modification done without written authorization from the OEM.
2. AMSOIL lubricants that have been used for the purposes of racing or in applications where the OEM required lubricant standards do not match those stated by AMSOIL INC. without the written approval from AMSOIL INC.
3. AMSOIL lubricants that have been contaminated after leaving the AMSOIL INC. premises due to improper handling, storage or through equipment deficiencies in which an AMSOIL lubricant has been installed.
4. AMSOIL lubricants which have been packaged, regardless of container, by anyone other than AMSOIL INC. or an AMSOIL authorized packager.
5. Any allegedly defective AMSOIL lubricant for which a reasonable sample has not been preserved.
6. Failure of equipment when AMSOIL lubricants are not used in strict accordance with either the written recommendations of AMSOIL INC. or the OEM for warranty coverage.
7. AMSOIL lubricants that have been used in conjunction with any other product or additive that has not been authorized for use by AMSOIL INC.
8. Failure of equipment due to a pre-existing condition that is unrelated to the use of AMSOIL.
9. Repair or replacement of equipment because of normal wear.
AMSOIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT A WARRANTY CLAIM FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS:
1. Failure to follow all OEM recommendations for warranty coverage, including lubricants, maintenance, and drain intervals, prior to the first installation of AMSOIL lubricants.
2. AMSOIL INC. was not notified within 30 days from the date of failure.
3. Claim information is insufficient.
4. Parts inspected do not substantiate a claim or indicate failure.
5. Parts requested were not sent or are unavailable for inspection.
6. Oil sample was not provided.
7. Failure of the customer to follow the written procedure herein.
8. Customer refused to cooperate with the investigation.
9. Failure was the result of an OEM defect.

This warranty shall be governed, interpreted and construed by, and in accordance with, the laws of the State of Wisconsin.

AMSOIL INC. IS THE SOLE AUTHOR OF THIS POLICY AND MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED UNLESS A SEPARATE, SPECIFIC WARRANTY HAS BEEN WRITTEN.

SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES SO THE ABOVE LIMITATIONS OR EXCLUSIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. THIS WARRANTY GIVES YOU SPECIFIC LEGAL RIGHTS AND YOU MAY ALSO HAVE OTHER RIGHTS, WHICH VARY FROM STATE TO STATE.

Contacts:

AMSOIL INC.
AMSOIL Bldg.
Superior, WI 54880
715-392-7101, Fax 715-392-3097
Revised April 8th, 2003
Supercedes all previous versions

 
I called the GM dealership and asked about the 6.6L Duramax my father-in-law owns. As long as the numbers match 15/40 0r 5/40 they said to follow the oil change computer. The odds of a true lubrication failure are almost none. So I run Schaeffer's 15/40 and am getting at least 10,000 miles on 10.5 quarts. Will be switching to the Amsoil 15/40 next change. I run 15/40 in anything with a few miles the Synthetic oil is never too thick even here in midwest winters.
Just my 2 cents.
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I want to ask it another way.

Say I want to keep with the extended drains in my saab. That is, up to 30k km (18k mi), based upon the oil life monitor built into the engine. Now, AMsoil claims that their oils are all designed for extended drains, no issue with that. If I use amsoil indefinitely, or say I start after the warranty ends on my car, and:

1) I always perform oil analysis, and then the car starts burning a lot of oil for no apparent reason

2) the extended drains really sludge my engine up

3) I always perform UOA and then after some time the engine starts showing really poor UOA numbers

Will amsoil cover these issues? Seems to me that since they are related to the lubrication system,and Im following the car manufacturer's instructions, within bounds of amsoil's oil life design guidelines, that they would.

Any thoughts? I dont NOT like M1 0w-40, but amsoil has a lot of good products that would work well, and their 'design to' spec of long extended drains would seem to me to be along the lines of what the GM-LL-A-025 spec would want.

Thanks,

JMH
 
they wouldnt. But they'd probably want to see receipts showing that x changes were done in y miles. the fact that amsoil was used may cause them to throw a flag... these guys (warrantee service people) will do anything to get out of repairs.

But if you do a bunch of UOAs, showing good wear numbers, intervals changed, etc., you wouldnt, IMO need to show anything else.

JMH
 
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