Amsoil- I got my arm twisted into trying it

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I'm a skeptic. with M1 4t racing 10-40 at $9.99 a qt. and Amsoil MC 10-40 11.87 a qt. is the Amsoil worth the extra 1.88 per qt. VTX1800C.
I don't mind my friend making an extra 8 bucks on me, I'd spend that much on him at the local Dunkin Donuts... probly more. but, is the the Amsoil Corporation exploiting people's loyalties to make more profit on their oil or is it really that good? Will it significantly outperform M1?

I actually had a jug of Rotella T ready to go. When, I bought the A O. I can use the R T6 in my car in a couple months. Will I notice any difference?
 
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I HIGHLY doubt you will notice any difference except for a lighter wallet.
I think it's a good oil.
Is it the best? I'm not sure, I haven't seen any Independent test data..EVER. All the test data is paid for by Amsoil, which lends the bias.
Dusty
 
Even IF it is as good as "they" say it is you will STILL have to use it for a long time to see any benefit over the other synthetics out there. I am a synthetic user, but I still see folks going many 100's of thousands of miles on Dino. Synthetics buy you something in cold climates and very hot climates, if you change your own you control the cost to the point where the extra expense is not unwarrented. Paying a stealer to do it is insane after the warranty is up. Before that, a judgement call.
 
That Mobil M1R4T is one of their best products. I would use it and be happy unless you are seeing an issue. Id use it in the X5 in the summer
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Since the honda is watercooled cant you free up some power and run a 10w30 given you will be running a REAL synthetic?
 
What's the MC Amsoil? I can't find it on the site...?

If your friend is selling you the oil, i feel that he could give you a better price on it. Sounds like he's charging you retail.
 
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
That Mobil M1R4T is one of their best products. I would use it and be happy unless you are seeing an issue. Id use it in the X5 in the summer
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Since the honda is watercooled cant you free up some power and run a 10w30 given you will be running a REAL synthetic?


No issues at all with the M1 4t 10-40. The manual calls for the 10-40 because it's a cruiser that runs hot in traffic, the fan kicks on after about 3 minutes stopped. Trust me, this thing has 100hp +- to the wheel. I never use it all except when I'm pulling the house trailer, LOL. In japan they use the Gold Wing as a tow truck for cars. google it, it's a trip. My brother has seen it in person. But, I digress.

Last Year I ran Kendal 10-40 non energy conserving and that was not a problem.

I mean hey, $8 one way or the other is not goin to affect much of anything in this world. I just think Amsoil is exploiting their dealers friends and families. Good oil competitive with other high quality syns but at more money, cuz they can. I don't know that you can have a career selling Amsoil and that's just fine with AO.
 
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In the range of motorcycle specific oils Amsoil also offers a
10W30... I've order 5 qts and will run it the same miles as I
ran Mobil 1 0w30 and see what the difference is according to
Blackstone Labs...

I paid the $10 and signed up on line as a preferred customer
and my total for 5 quarts of 10W30 was $56.08 out the
door...
http://www.amsoil.com/index.aspx

Price Quart $8.65 x 5 $43.25
State/Province Tax: $3.38
Shipping: $9.10
Grand Total: $56.08

Although Amsoil base stock is Mobil 1 PAO... its final
formula is 100% PAO whereas Mobil 1 best estimates are 20% to
30% blend PAO...

I've never noticed the difference between 40 weights but I do
noticed the difference between a 30 versus 40 weight...
I've used mostly 30 weights in Mr.RC45 since 98 and covered
over 50K miles not in moderation... 30wt is HP in a bottle
due to the fact of low parasitic drag...

You Tube Video where Amsoil rep names Mobil 1 premium PAO as
the base stock for their oils...
http://www.youtube.com/embed/E_iN_IJpSIU

Amsoil 10w30
API Service Class SG SL/CF CG-4 JASO MA/MA2 ISO-L-EMA2 GL-1
Viscosity Grade SAE 10W30
Vis @ 100°C, cSt 11.1
Vis @ 40°C, cSt 72.0
Viscosity Index 147
Total Base Number 11
HT HS 3.5
mct_qt_300.jpg
 
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Originally Posted By: BusyLittleShop
In the range of motorcycle specific oils Amsoil also offers a
10W30... I've order 5 qts and will run it the same miles as I
ran Mobil 1 0w30 and see what the difference is according to
Blackstone Labs...

I paid the $10 and signed up on line as a preferred customer
and my total for 5 quarts of 10W30 was $56.08 out the
door...
http://www.amsoil.com/index.aspx

Price Quart $8.65 x 5 $43.25
State/Province Tax: $3.38
Shipping: $9.10
Grand Total: $56.08

Although Amsoil base stock is Mobil 1 PAO... its final
formula is 100% PAO whereas Mobil 1 best estimates are 20% to
30% blend PAO...

I've never noticed the difference between 40 weights but I do
noticed the difference between a 30 versus 40 weight...
I've used mostly 30 weights in Mr.RC45 since 98 and covered
over 50K miles not in moderation... 30wt is HP in a bottle
due to the fact of low parasitic drag...

You Tube Video where Amsoil rep names Mobil 1 premium PAO as
the base stock for their oils...
http://www.youtube.com/embed/E_iN_IJpSIU

Amsoil 10w30
API Service Class SG SL/CF CG-4 JASO MA/MA2 ISO-L-EMA2 GL-1
Viscosity Grade SAE 10W30
Vis @ 100°C, cSt 11.1
Vis @ 40°C, cSt 72.0
Viscosity Index 147
Total Base Number 11
HT HS 3.5
mct_qt_300.jpg




Although Amsoil base stock is Mobil 1 PAO... its final
formula is 100% PAO whereas Mobil 1 best estimates are 20% to
30% blend PAO...

Maybe that is the difference right there. like I said 2 bucks either way is not going to hurt me. It's your friend you can't even say can I get a discount? I don't want to hurt the guys feelings.

I'm sticking with my retail available oils that go on sale and get rebates and no shipping for my cars. I ride with this guy he has all of us using the AO in our bikes. He better buy a house from me someday...
 
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>>Is it the best? I'm not sure, I haven't seen any Independent test data..EVER. All the test data is paid for by Amsoil, which lends the bias.
gee, a company pays independent labs to do testing (to verify what they have already tested for in their own labs), and then publishes results.

Yep, a lot of bias there. Wonder how many lawsuits have been filed by the other companies whose products haven't done as well?
Oh, I think probably none.

>>>Although Amsoil base stock is Mobil 1 PAO... its final
formula is 100% PAO whereas Mobil 1 best estimates are 20% to
30% blend PAO...
Interesting. Yes, AMSOIL buys a lot of base stock from ExxonMobil Chemical, but, far as I know, they haven't released their formulations to the public. Based on what little I know from talking to the corporate suits, most of their oils are blends of a number of base stocks.

Oh yes, there is some bias here, since I've been using(and selling) AMSOIL for over 30 years.
 
Originally Posted By: **** in Falls Church
>>Is it the best? I'm not sure, I haven't seen any Independent test data..EVER. All the test data is paid for by Amsoil, which lends the bias.
gee, a company pays independent labs to do testing (to verify what they have already tested for in their own labs), and then publishes results.

Yep, a lot of bias there. Wonder how many lawsuits have been filed by the other companies whose products haven't done as well?
Oh, I think probably none.

>>>Although Amsoil base stock is Mobil 1 PAO... its final
formula is 100% PAO whereas Mobil 1 best estimates are 20% to
30% blend PAO...
Interesting. Yes, AMSOIL buys a lot of base stock from ExxonMobil Chemical, but, far as I know, they haven't released their formulations to the public. Based on what little I know from talking to the corporate suits, most of their oils are blends of a number of base stocks.

Oh yes, there is some bias here, since I've been using(and selling) AMSOIL for over 30 years.


There are a lot of side track comments here. My original question is is AO worth almost $2 more per qt than say M1 4t 10-40? Or are we as customers shamed into buying it from our friends and family and the AO corporation knows that and exploits their dealers relationships and the customers at large? I am sure it's as good as any other good synthetic. but, what am I paying an extra $2 for?

Hey it's in my engine right now as I said. I'm not trashing it. but, what is it compared to their competitors?
 
I have run both oils and done UOA analysis of both oils, both in wet clutch quads. I have found the Amsoil to be much more shear stable than the Mobil Racing 4T 10w40. So much so that I can run nearly twice as long on the Amsoil and expect the same amount of shearing I see in a "normal" run for the Mobil 4T. I have quit running the Mobil and will not use it again, it doesn't hold up in my application...your results may vary. Do you plan to do a UOA? Have you done on on the Mobil? The results of UOA would help you decide if the Amsoil was worth the extra dollars. I am the mechanic of a 4 quad race team, the Amsoil was more cost effective for us, especially with PC pricing.
 
Originally Posted By: GhostFlame
is the the Amsoil Corporation exploiting people's loyalties to make more profit on their oil or is it really that good?


Yes, and no it won't perform any different than the Mobil1...just tell your friend that "Friends don't let friends use Amsoil"
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Originally Posted By: ccdhowell
I have run both oils and done UOA analysis of both oils, both in wet clutch quads. I have found the Amsoil to be much more shear stable than the Mobil Racing 4T 10w40. So much so that I can run nearly twice as long on the Amsoil and expect the same amount of shearing I see in a "normal" run for the Mobil 4T. I have quit running the Mobil and will not use it again, it doesn't hold up in my application...your results may vary. Do you plan to do a UOA? Have you done on on the Mobil? The results of UOA would help you decide if the Amsoil was worth the extra dollars. I am the mechanic of a 4 quad race team, the Amsoil was more cost effective for us, especially with PC pricing.


Some folks here won't let facts get in the way.

Seems to me this thread was not exactly started to discuss the differences (yes there are differences), but more to question Amsoil. Been there, done that. Not going anywhere soon.
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I've been selling Amsoil for 12 years, and doing pretty good at it considering I have a real job and run another business at the same time and don't dedicate whole ton of time to it. That said, I have never once approached a friend, relative, neighbor and asked them to buy Amsoil. Do some friends buy Amsoil from me? Yes - only after they asked me. Likely because they see I use it or have it in my shop, etc.

And Oh yeah if you want the PC price, contact me!!
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The ONLY reason I could justify paying the hefty price for ANY synthetic would be if I put a lot of miles on my bike every year (say like 8K-10K), and I wanted to run the same oil the entire season. As it is, I only put about 3K on my bike per season, so I just use a good dino and change my oil and filter once a year....using synthetic like this is a total waste of oil and money...
 
I doubt Amsoil is 100% anything. It's not the best way to make a chemical component and of course they know this. Esters and other polar links are going to be used for miscibility reasons and also to prevent seal shrinkage. It's just the way it's done.

Mobil-1 motorcycle oil is on sale at Advance Autoparts for $7.99 a quart. I stocked up yesterday to get me through the summer.

Regardless, a product must be priced competitively if it's going to be a mainstream effort. Everything will be a trade-off. If you're riding a Goldwing I'd be willing to bet money you'll never see any benefit to Amsoil or Mobil-1. Those engines are so understessed in their application that cheapy car engine oil would likely be fine.

IF you're deadset on using Amsoil then certainly get in touch with someone offering the preferred customer discount. I wanted to try the Amsoil in my new ZX-14R but my local contact never replied. For this riding season my lubrication needs are met but next year I'll be open for new ideas.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: ccdhowell
I have run both oils and done UOA analysis of both oils, both in wet clutch quads. I have found the Amsoil to be much more shear stable than the Mobil Racing 4T 10w40. So much so that I can run nearly twice as long on the Amsoil and expect the same amount of shearing I see in a "normal" run for the Mobil 4T. I have quit running the Mobil and will not use it again, it doesn't hold up in my application...your results may vary. Do you plan to do a UOA? Have you done on on the Mobil? The results of UOA would help you decide if the Amsoil was worth the extra dollars. I am the mechanic of a 4 quad race team, the Amsoil was more cost effective for us, especially with PC pricing.


Some folks here won't let facts get in the way.


That's true. While anyone can question the prices, no one can cite anything other than vague complaints about marketing, representation, availability, etc.

The oil is GOOD. period. Use it and you'll see.
 
Originally Posted By: FowVay
\If you're riding a Goldwing I'd be willing to bet money you'll never see any benefit to Amsoil or Mobil-1. Those engines are so understessed in their application that cheapy car engine oil would likely be fine.


And what about the transmission? Would "cheapy car engine oil" be fine there as well?

Some of us *do* stress the drivetrains on our Goldwings... on a regular basis.
 
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