edyvw
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So basically you can’t answer what is the point of your own original post.
I told you what I have observed to two pds you posted.
Amsoil euro oils reformulated?
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I told you what I have observed to two pds you posted.
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HPL No VII 5W-30 Euro is an interesting one, 11.19cSt KV100, so not super heavy, but 3.6cP (3.566) HTHS.
edyvw
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That was my point. Low KV100, high HTHS is the trick. 14.6cst and 4cP is not something special.
That is why I mentioned AEL. And at one point it was approved.
What other xW40 oils with an HTHS of 3.9+ can you buy for under $15/qt?
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Motul X-Clean 5W40 GEN 2 is 13.5cst and HTHS 3.9cP. Amsoil 5W40 EFO has HTHS 3.9cP, but out of KV100 of 13.7cst.
Why? Look at pour point. EFM has pour point of 39c. That has a lot of Group III. EFO is -51c. PAO based.
Basically, any oil that has such a high KV100 could have such HTHS. Pennzoil Platinum Euro has out of 13.1cst HTHS 3.88cP.
X-clean is mid-saps and would be comparable to the 4.1 HTHS AFL.
The Rowe 0w40 I got for free is 14.2 and 4.0.......the HPL I run 0w40 and 5w40 run 14.39 and 3.87 and 4.0 respectively....
I trust say HPL with the higher at 14.39........Im sure thats why their oils almost never shear at all
Right, I don't see the issue with a higher KV100. Is HPL 5w40 "bad" because it's 14.39 and Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 is good because it's 13.3 (not 13.1)? The difference in HTHS/KV100 ratio between those oils and EFM/AFL is minute (and AFL actually exceeds Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 despite being "watered down"). Rowe is somewhere in the middle. I don't think any of them are mediocre, much less bad.
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I dont know enough about the base stocks used when it comes to PAO.......I know HPL pretty much spares no expense when they formulate, and their results are excellent, even running longer intervals......their oils never shear out either
If they are multi-viscosity oils then that’s a good testament for their VII. Of course most engines don’t really place a demanding shear force on oils either.
Star Polymers
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There is difference, did you see pour point of HPL? It is -57c. It is loaded with PAO. VI is lower.
I would say they chose not to go higher HTHS.
Like I said, with that KV100, getting to such high HTHS is not that big of a deal.
AFL has a KV100 of 14.4 and a pour point of -39. It has a higher Noack than Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40 (5.7%), and higher KV100. What makes you think Amsoil AFL will be as shear stable as Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40?
AEL on other hand I think it was best VW 504.00 oil next to first version of Mobil 1 ESP 5W30.
While I think HPL products are superb, I don't subscribe to the idea that everything they make is better than OTS products.
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edyvw
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As mentioned, star polymers and HPL are loaded with PAO.
Yes, when is pour point relevant to majority of the US though? Besides doing ice luge videos for youtube. It helps estimate percentage of PAO I guess.
5.7% Noack for Pennzoil Platinum Euro is from testing on oil in russia almost 5 years ago, odds of that being the same thing we get now in the US seems low since the war.
Do you have HTHS shear data on Pennzoil Platinum Euro or AFL? I don't. Nor did I make that claim. I'm trying to be polite here and respect @Sam_Julier 's request, but I've already said it feels rather rude to respond as though I made a claim I didn't.
edyvw
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Yes, you guess it right regarding PAO.
I am out.
maybe you didnt understand my post at all.
the reason why edyvw gives us all these info ,is to understand that:
highest HTHS by its one ,its not always revealing a better oil.the combo the highest hths possible the lowest KV does ,among other things i mentioned. its almost an unmistakable rule.and i say almost bcs. there is one rule above all:
the final product is all that matters.
but 98% that rule stands.
so you are claiming that, the highest HTHS is the best oil ,thats an old scientific conclusion, there are new evolutions, new recipes of oil ,modern oils, where a lower hths can be stronger than a much higher bcs. of other parameters such as better base oils or /and additives ,meaning thinner but more quality oils and thus more stronger than those conventional 16KV, 4,5HTHS.
we are talking here about euro oil,so for a euro oil 3.5 is quite strong for daily commute considering that euro recipes include other parameters that i mentioned.
if want to track a car then you go for a different recipe,you have other choices and yes there you need higher hths,but still its not hths that matters only,combination rule stands there too,thus all these good euro oil that he mentioned with hths close to 3.8-3.9.
if you search on google an interview with redline's president then he will confirm to you that an hths more than 4.0 is not needed for tracking theri cars too.MODERN OIL,welcome to this world.forget the bigger the better...
i hope you understand..
That's quite the novel physics you have there. Did you learn all that on the Internet or formulate it yourself?
you should also read more carefully and stop putting words in my mouth. I said that $8/qt for 4.0 HTHS 40 grade was a good deal. I also said that an oil with a mediocre HTHS is not remarkable, then pointed out oils with similar or higher ones, but I did not say they were "the best."
Also, not one oil being discussed here has a 16.0 KV100 or an HTHS of 4.5. Go argue with yourself somewhere else.
first rule of conversation is to understand what i mean,then answer..certainly not to be sarcastic with no reason ,which you are used to with many members and against the rules of the forum.
when you will be polite again,which is hard for you i will answer your question.
thanks for your conversation once more.
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