Amsoil ATF/Torque-Drive.

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How does Torque-Drive™ compare to AMSOIL Synthetic Transmission Fluid (ATF)?

Torque-Drive™ was created to satisfy the concerns of customers currently using TranSynd®, and it carries with it the confidence to be used for the intervals established by Allison. AMSOIL ATF is a more advanced product with universal applications such as Mercon V and ATF +4. AMSOIL does not recommend draining or switching to Torque-Drive™ unless the Allison customer intends on following the extended drain interval recommendations of Allison.
 
Originally Posted By: ArcticCat
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
I've been using it for over 40,000 miles in the TL since I live in a very hot climate.


Curious as to why you would choose ATD over ATF in an application calling for Honda Z-1?

Do you add a friction modifier additive, or use it as is?


Temperature for one, the ATD is a little thicker at operating temp but still flows better cold than Z1.

No friction modifier, it shifts great as is. The TL pulls throttle on shifts so I could probably run type F in there without harsh shifting. The shifts are snappier than Z1 as in the tach drops quicker on shifts but I can't feel it. In stock form it had a mushy shift, the slide-bang type of shift.

I did run ATF first and it was an improvement over Z1 but then I saw ATD and it looked more robust so I switched to that. Now, for the majority and rest of the car's life, it's going to be on one motor oil and one ATF so I can have some actual results to post when it's junkyard time.
 
Originally Posted By: onion
Pablo, the Amsoil link you provided is either deliberately false or outdated. Transynd is not the only fluid that meets the TES-295 spec. Several other manufacturers put out a licensed TES-295 synthetic ATF. Amsoil doesn't.

http://www.allisontransmission.com/service/autoapp/172/viewpage.jsp?ThisPage=3


AN-011001 Castrol Heavy Duty Lubricants TranSynd
AN-031002 BP Autran Syn 295
AN-031003 Cognis Corporation Emgard 2805
AN-031004 International Truck & Engine Company Fleetrite Synthetic ATF
AN-051005 ExxonMobil Lubricants and Petroleum Specialties Company Mobil Delvac Synthetic ATF
AN-071006 John Deere & Company HD SynTran


Both products made by BP

All three made by XOM

Not sure about Cognis Corp.
 
onion, I'm not trying to get on your case, but Amsoil isn't exactly getting sued often for people using their products and then having the product fail to meet the application.

I used Amsoil ATF in my Nissan Titan before they (Amsoil) even approved it for my application. The smooth shifts are even smoother. Just did another flush recently after 45K of perfect service.

My point is, I haven't read many, if any, horror stories from people having used Amsoil for one of their "unlicensed" recommendations.

Why make them pay for the testing from third parties and drive up the cost of the product?

LASTLY

You state: "All licensed and meet the spec. Unlike Amsoil's product."

So are you saying Amsoil's products don't meet the specs? Go ahead and show me some empirical data to prove otherwise. When you can't, QUIT YOUR WHINING!!!
 
This battle has been raging for years over a few Amsoil products!

The two stroke market rages the most. People will not come to a conclusion because the fence or line in the sand is drawn. You have the it must be registered side and the it works great side.

With the engine oils Amsoil tried to keep the certified side happy and introduced the XL line and the Diesel line that are certified because they use specific additive packages that are qualified. Look at the XL line now....they cost about the same as fully qualified ester/pao oils.

Amsoil/Redline/NEO and other blenders/builders of oil products have chosen not to pay the price to have some company tell them what they already know. Others....like Mobil have chosen to go this route and have gained OEM fills and still have kept the prices reasonable.

As the saying goes....you can please some of the people some of the time and non of the people all the time!
 
If ya'll want to pay exorbitant prices for a product that isn't even licenced (i.e. there is no independent verification that it actually meets the given spec), then that's your business.

I just enjoy pointing out Amsoil's unsupported (sometimes outright false) claims. Not saying that there's anything wrong with Amsoil... I'm sure it's a perfectly good product. So is Supertech, and THEY are licensed for most applications.

Amsoil MAY even be better than Supertech, but I'm not aware of any independent testing that proves it. You're taking the word of Amsoil's marketing department... and the word of some guy who wants to sell you the stuff. Hardly a disinterested party.
 
Originally Posted By: onion

I just enjoy pointing out Amsoil's unsupported (sometimes outright false) claims.....


I guess some get their pleasure in odd ways. But please, with the "false" claims, post them if you have them!

Originally Posted By: onion
You're taking the word of Amsoil's marketing department... and the word of some guy who wants to sell you the stuff. Hardly a disinterested party.


Actually Amsoil stands behind the products 100%, so it's not just the "marketing department". That is a red herring at best. Your last sentence is a true breakthrough in consumer protection. I'm pretty sure no one knows I'm an Amsoil Dealer.
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(PS don't tell anyone else) Oh yeah, the thousands of satisfied customers don't count for much either.
 
Amsoil gave my pitbull superaids.



For an unlicensed product, my used oil analysis and teardown inspections seem OK...
 
I dont think you have enough oil
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You missed my point, you stated you have performed inspections after using Amsoil ATF. Have you done this with any other ATF's?
 
Yes. A good family friend owns a transmission shop in Northern San Diego Co. Ca.
I have seen more transmissions open than I care to remember. In addition to mine, twice.
 
Originally Posted By: onion
...(i.e. there is no independent verification that it actually meets the given spec),


I'm not trying to be contentious, just asking a question.
Specifically what type of verification do we have that any licensed fluid meets its performance specs?

Do vehicle manufacturers or an independent party test every batch of every licensed fluid? If not, it seems like you are back to the same situation you have with companies such as Redline and Amsoil... how much do you trust the company.

I'm sure most people trusted Mobil 1 5w30 to meet the SM specs...
 
Originally Posted By: Canawler
Originally Posted By: onion
...(i.e. there is no independent verification that it actually meets the given spec),


I'm not trying to be contentious, just asking a question.
Specifically what type of verification do we have that any licensed fluid meets its performance specs?

Do vehicle manufacturers or an independent party test every batch of every licensed fluid? If not, it seems like you are back to the same situation you have with companies such as Redline and Amsoil... how much do you trust the company.

I'm sure most people trusted Mobil 1 5w30 to meet the SM specs...


Typically, what gets licensed is the additive package. So long as the add package is blended with the correct base oil, in the correct proportions, a blender can be reasonably sure the fluid in question is within specs per the license. They pull random samples from every batch and run tests to verify (or they are supposed to).
 
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