Americans are leaving in record numbers.

[GON]

My question about foreign medicine, unless we are talking about Germany, France, and other wealthy EU countries, what kind of quality will you get in Thailand or anywhere else?

Do they have all the MRI machines and testing in the US? I can get an MRI at the drop of a dime, PRP, stem cells, see a plethora of specialists, with little delay in many cases. There is medical discrimination in some countries in therm of the elderly not being worth taking care of, I'm sure having $$$ changes that, but the possibility is still there.

What is the food quality and sanitation like? Can I trust the water coming out of the faucet and that the meat and fish won't be infested with worms?


I am pretty sure very few, if none of these "ex-pats" rescinded their citizenship. US Citizenship is highly sought, pretty much the golden ticket and an opportunity to achieve almost anything in life if you put your mind to it. No wonder hoards of people will cross the Darien Gap and traverse deserts to get here or buy that Golden Visa from T for $5MM.


I know a few people that have pensions and SS and moved to Europe, they are rather healthy and live the dream with nice views, but they have come back to the US for medical care and family events.

Certain hospitals in Bangkok have an industry of foreigners traveling to Bangkok for treatment. Bumrungrad International Hospital in Bangkok is a world class hospital, great care, great facilities, and they are experts at billing foreign medical insurances. Shows how great medical care can happen when physicians are not subject to frivolous medical mal practice suits, free market prescriptions, etc.

On the other hand, Germany is not a place to fall ill. One MICRO example, my late grandfather in law died in Germany waiting for his free "heart procedure" for six months. Had he been in the US, he would never have died. An actual example of the warnings of social medicine in a western nation.

Food and sanitation in most of the world is nasty. Most adult Americans have not built-up immunity to food borne pathogens and the like. It will be a never-ending battle. Maybe not so much in many parts of Europe or Oceania, but for the rest of the world, never ending food/ water connected illnesses. I take dozens of fiber pills a day, and limit most of my food to highly processed food to negate the never-ending food borne/ water borne pathogens that happen normally outside of conus.

Here is my fiber stash. Simply to reduce never ending bathroom runs. I take 36-48 of these capsules daily.

 

[Pablo]

So all those big mouths are leaving!??

BYE and GOOD RIDDANCE

 

[xspeedy]

Here is my fiber stash. Simply to reduce never ending bathroom runs. I take 36-48 of these capsules daily.

Doesn’t fiber make you go more?

 

[Pablo]

Source? (beat me to it Indy)

If that's a set-up line, many opportunistic, wry political jokes can be made.
I'll go first.
The immigrants are so scared, the ones with the ware-with-all fled.
They'll be the fertilizer of other societies as the hoards from Europe enriched US.

I lived in a neighborhood in Brooklyn which had its share of retirees.
Spain was an oft quoted relocation spot.

Mods, do your thing.

Here illegally?

They should leave

Why is this somehow controversial?

 

[alarmguy]

Nothing really startling here.
Americans flush with cash compared to the countries they move to.
The Internet and social media has opened up the whole world to living in other places.
Just because it says record numbers well of course. Our world is more mobile than ever.
Still 85% of more people retire right here in the United States
The ones that retire overseas approximately 44% eventually plan on coming back

 

[GON]

Doesn’t fiber make you go more?

Fiber significantly reduces "the runs"....

 

[CKN]

Here illegally?

They should leave

Why is this somehow controversial?

Pablo PM me and I will tell you why.

 

[CKN]

Why are some on here seem to be regulars about starting threads that will be shut down?

 

[SC Maintenance]

My question about foreign medicine, unless we are talking about Germany, France, and other wealthy EU countries, is what kind of quality will you get in Thailand or anywhere else?

Do they have all the MRI machines and advanced testing like in the US? I can get an MRI at the drop of a dime, PRP, stem cells, see a plethora of specialists, with little delay in many cases. There is medical discrimination in some countries in therm of the elderly not being worth taking care of, I'm sure having $$$ changes that, but the possibility is still there.

What is the food quality and sanitation like? Can I trust the water coming out of the faucet and that the meat and fish won't be infested with worms?


I am pretty sure very few, if none of these "ex-pats" rescinded their citizenship. US Citizenship is highly sought, pretty much the golden ticket and an opportunity to achieve almost anything in life if you put your mind to it. No wonder hoards of people will cross the Darien Gap and traverse deserts to get here or buy that Golden Visa from T for $5MM.


I know a few people that have pensions and SS and moved to Europe, they are rather healthy and live the dream with nice views, but they have come back to the US for medical care and family events.

Depends on where you go.

I find most Americans negative opinions are of places they have not been. Sure, I don't want to live in India either. I could also take you to lots of places in North Chuck you wouldn't want to live trust me. On the Coast of Panama or Costa Rica, different story.

Most places in Latin America have much stronger traditional family values than here. The weather and fishing are great as well!

Sure you can get a MRI at the drop of a dime. What if you can't afford a root canal? In Mexico there 1/10th the cost and hygiene and quality is same as here at the right places.

Getting rid of your US citizenship is virtually impossible. Rich people have tried. USA is the only country on earth that taxes there citizens income even when they don't live here - so its not the one way street you portray it to be.

I am not saying you should or you shouldn't - but don't automatically believe the negativity or stereotype your often told. The world is full of options and people should choose there own.

 

[John Galt]

I worked with many visa holders from India who became US citizens during their work career. Most of them grew up and were educated in India and they universally were well off there with many family household servants and drivers. Some had their own personal servant and could not believe this was not the norm here in the states. One was aghast after her first winter here that no one was scheduled to dig her out after the first snow storm. She seriously wanted to know what “people” here were in charge of that. She did not understand or appreciate our amusement at her situation.

Most in their late 50’s spoke of the day when they could retire and return to India with their US earning power and dreamed of living like a king and queen with many servants cooks, nannies, gardeners and personal drivers. They could afford it and most importantly their cast of people in India didn’t do any manual or household chores. Lots of expat Indian folks here in some well paying jobs.

 

[wings&wheels]

Oops..wrong forum....rushing for my trip

 

[buster]

"Strikingly, the new American migrant is more likely than ever to bring children in tow, relocation companies and realtors say, laying down roots and raising a set of Americans feeding into foreign colleges.

“You don’t face the prospect of your 5-year-old going into a kindergarten and doing an active shooter drill,” said Chris Ford, 41, who works for a Dallas real-estate investment firm while helping run a kids’ baseball league in Berlin, whose roster has doubled in size for each of the past three years.

Across dozens of interviews, U.S. expats described their motivations as a tangle of economic incentives, lifestyle preferences and disenchantment with the trajectory of America, citing violent crime, cost of living and turbulent politics."

 

[GON]

"Strikingly, the new American migrant is more likely than ever to bring children in tow, relocation companies and realtors say, laying down roots and raising a set of Americans feeding into foreign colleges.

“You don’t face the prospect of your 5-year-old going into a kindergarten and doing an active shooter drill,” said Chris Ford, 41, who works for a Dallas real-estate investment firm while helping run a kids’ baseball league in Berlin, whose roster has doubled in size for each of the past three years.

Across dozens of interviews, U.S. expats described their motivations as a tangle of economic incentives, lifestyle preferences and disenchantment with the trajectory of America, citing violent crime, cost of living and turbulent politics."

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Trading off American cost of living and the other concerns in exchange for sharia law? That influence will eventually undermine the foundations of western nations in Europe.

I will stay in America and tirelessly and forever promote the very hard fought and won values afforded Americans by its founding fathers. Some people don't have a clue of what they have in America, and without a doubt will be in the fetal position if it is ever lost. Easy to go live in some other nation, knowing your nation will bail you out, will evacuate you, etc. -- even to those disloyal and/ or ungreatful to their nation.

 

[Hohn]

Compared to 100 years ago, every American lives like a king.

Don't believe the news. We Americans, all of us, live extremely well when compared to just 100 years ago.

Heck, most Americans live better today than did most kings in recorded history.

 

[CleanSump]

Speaking of living in Thailand. We already have a house near Chiang Rai and will be there permanently as of this Summer. I met my wife while working there.
Large American population that began with US servicemen staying or moving back in the '60s/early '70s. Several friends of mine already there.
They love Americans there. The last two Miss Thailands grew up in NA, one with an American dad, one with a Canadian dad. Half the actors and actresses are mixed now.
Hospitals have staffs most of whom were trained in US schools and did internships in the US. Not like some third world hut and dirt place people seem to think. Top rated heart center etc. Health insurance is available and inexpensive.
And how far do you think my money will go
Have a GS there and SDs are moving back with families.


I knew guys who wouldn't get off the boat in Europe or Asia. What a bunch of losers.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Thailand, where you are free to criticize the government? That Thailand?

 

[4wd]

The pull to become an Expat is enticing for some people. You could move Thailand or some other country in the area and live like a king saving enough money to bring your kids over a couple times a year and still be ahead. A root canal in Thailand averages $400 to $1,000 in the USA could be $4,500. I wont do it but I can see why they do

A friend from Scotland lives there - he pretty much has a compound for him and this local (2nd) wife …
(and a condo in the city) …

 

[02SE]

Certain hospitals in Bangkok have an industry of foreigners traveling to Bangkok for treatment. Bumrungrad International Hospital in Bangkok is a world class hospital, great care, great facilities, and they are experts at billing foreign medical insurances. Shows how great medical care can happen when physicians are not subject to frivolous medical mal practice suits, free market prescriptions, etc.

On the other hand, Germany is not a place to fall ill. One MICRO example, my late grandfather in law died in Germany waiting for his free "heart procedure" for six months. Had he been in the US, he would never have died. An actual example of the warnings of social medicine in a western nation.

Food and sanitation in most of the world is nasty. Most adult Americans have not built-up immunity to food borne pathogens and the like. It will be a never-ending battle. Maybe not so much in many parts of Europe or Oceania, but for the rest of the world, never ending food/ water connected illnesses. I take dozens of fiber pills a day, and limit most of my food to highly processed food to negate the never-ending food borne/ water borne pathogens that happen normally outside of conus.

Here is my fiber stash. Simply to reduce never ending bathroom runs. I take 36-48 of these capsules daily.View attachment 326113

TMI man, TMI...

 

[CleanSump]

Thailand, where you are free to criticize the government? That Thailand?

Yep! The dictator/military coup got thrown out of power years ago. You can't criticize the King/Royal Family because that is in their constitution. But the new King and family don't get involved in politics now. Even less than King Charles in the UK. If you're a citizen you can speak out and criticize any politician or policy you don't like. They just had another election and get this; one of the political parties main planks was eliminate the military and defunding police. One of their slogans was "buy milk, not guns". Sound familiar? Gosh, sure sounds like you can't criticize the government.
Of course, if you're not a citizen, you shouldn't be criticizing their government or be involved in their politics. Isn't that controversial in the US right now?

 

[Owen Lucas]

Trading off American cost of living and the other concerns in exchange for sharia law? That influence will eventually undermine the foundations of western nations in Europe.

I've watched a few YT video where the interviewer asks migrants, including some non-natives that grew up in the country, UK etc if they'd fight for it in a war. Most said no, one said he'd be on the 1st flight back to the home country. In fact, many of them vacation in the places they fled. It's all about the welfare bucks. Ironically if Russia were to invade, which it is incapable of anyway, pretty sure many would flee and it would become a better place lol.