Am I over doing it? (Trans fluid change)

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I have a TH350 transmission behind a 350 engine in an El Camino. I drive the car on the street approximately 5,000 miles per year. No racing, occasionally hauling light loads. The trans has been rebuilt 8 years ago, does not leak and has a mild shift kit installed for firmer shifts. It drives very well.

Once a year since the rebuild I have been dumping 4 quarts out of the pan (pan has a drain bolt) and replacing with fresh Dexron fluid. The drained fluid always looks great, nice bright red, no debris, no burnt smell.

Keep doing what I am doing or is this too much. Or not enough considering the whole trans holds 10 quarts?
 
If you did a fluid analysis I'm guessing they would tell you to double or even quadruple your change interval. But, it's your car and you can do whatever you choose. Dexron is inexpensive. It's an '84 that you enjoy. I, too, would do what you are doing and not burden myself pondering it.
 
Given that you don't abuse it, and that we'll presume it's in good shape ...
Every 5k miles is a complete waste of money and you're not getting any discernible benefit from such short OCI in your trans. You could easily go 30k miles and still be in fine shape. If you want you could get a UOA to confirm this; why guess when you can know?
 
Nothing wrong with doing that at all and none of us can tell you what to do but I'd at least stretch it to 10 or 15k. From experience it still drains out cherry red. 5k is very short.
 
Given that you don't abuse it, and that we'll presume it's in good shape ...
Every 5k miles is a complete waste of money and you're not getting any discernible benefit from such short OCI in your trans. You could easily go 30k miles and still be in fine shape. If you want you could get a UOA to confirm this; why guess when you can know?

Agree every 5k is overkill.

But also note that OP is only changing ~40% of the fluid per a drain and fill. Does your 30k recommendation still apply in that case?

@Bailey28 I think you could comfortably double the drain and fill to 2 years / 10k.
 
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If compelled to do - and easy/cheap - do it before the hot summer so the best fluid takes on the high FL temps …
However, should do 2 seasons easily …
If that’s a Dex-III = I posted an M1 sale in other threads.

 
I kind of figured it might be overkill. I like tinkering and have rebuilt and installed several engines over the years including the one in this car. This car is in good shape and goes regularly to car shows etc.

Every time I have changed the fluid a different brand has been added. First fill was from a 5 gallon bucket of Carquest Dexron II approved, then Napa, Pennzoil, and Kendall. I have 12 quarts of Lucas Dexron approved fluid in the shed I found for $3 a quart.

I have a Napa filter and cork gasket ready to go and told myself I would change the filter when the pan starts leaking.
 
Agree every 5k is overkill.

But also note that OP is only changing ~40% of the fluid per a drain and fill. Does your 30k recommendation still apply in that case?

Absolutely.

First of all, let's acknowledge that Dexron IIIh (and the sister Ford product called "Mercon") are no longer licensed fluids. So there's no ability to get an "approved" fluid. That does not mean, however, that the current flavors of Dex/Merc, D3/M, etc ... fluids are "bad". Most of the major reputable sources out there still make decent replacement fluids for these outdated specs.

The main issue with these older fluids is that they didn't hold their viscosity very well. While they'd start around 7.3L cSt or so, they'd drop like a stone in 15k miles or less, down to 6.0 or even lower.

HOWEVER ... that does not mean they aren't doing a decent job of protecting the internal components (presuming there's no contamination present). I've got several hundred UOAs of different trans fluids in my database and I can say with certainty that even though these fluids do lose their vis, they generally still protect against wear decently when changed "regularly". I define that word "regularly" as 30k miles or so. The wear rates are generally NOT affected by the loss of vis when the OCI duration is less than 30-50k miles (depending on use factors). The data does not lie; there's no need to change trans fluid every 5k miles ... that's just throwing away money and effort. Seriously; it's a waste and there's no other way to reasonably look at it.

And as far as those internal filters go ... Change it once every 100k miles or so. These things are just basic rock-catchers; they are finite polishing filters by any stretch of the imagination. Since the OP had the trans rebuilt a few years ago, and the internal filter was likely done then, that's all it should need in the next 20 years or so of his annual 5k mile use. Seriously; these things are really porous and don't catch much at all unless there's a catastrophic failure, and well, by that time it's too late anyway.

Over-maintaining something has never proven to help equipment. It may satiate the brain, but it does nothing to extend the life of equipment. Once you have a good maintenance plan, doubling or quadrupling it does NOT mean things are going to get 2x or 4x "better".

For these older types transmissions (TH350, TH400, C4, C6, A727, etc) just do this:
- fluid every 30-50k miles depending on severity of use
- internal filter once every 100k miles
 
Given that you don't abuse it, and that we'll presume it's in good shape ...
Every 5k miles is a complete waste of money and you're not getting any discernible benefit from such short OCI in your trans. You could easily go 30k miles and still be in fine shape. If you want you could get a UOA to confirm this; why guess when you can know?
This is absolutely right, I think your overdoing it,,it’s a waste of money and time and transmission fluid, 30,000 miles on a transmission change is right on

As stated above it’s your money but it’s ridiculous to do this
 
@Bailey28
The DexronIII fluid specification and licensing program was inactivated in March 2011. The ATF Type III (H) fluid shown in the photograph is ACDelco's non-licensed fluid, which is used to support older transmissions that still required the DEXRON-III (H) fluid. This fluid is backward compatible with all previous Dexron fluids as well as the Type "A" suffix "A" and the Type "A" fluids produced from 1949 to 1966.
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I believe the first GM TH350 transmission was manufactured in 1968. What would be the difference in the Dexron A, II, IIE, III fluids compared to this Maxlife should I decide to use this in the future? Would the Maxlife be an all around 'better' fluid than the older GM formulation pre or post license (approved, or in the case of the Maxlife bottle below "recommended for use in)?

In other words what would be lost or gained from using only the original dexron formula over the Maxlife? What would be lost or gained by using Maxlife in older transmissions like the TH350?

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