Alligator killed 2-year-old boy in Disney World

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Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Lots of bad news from Orlando this week...


Is there ever anything good to come out of Florida?


Not really, no.

Did you hear the years after-the-fact update on a piece of human trash called Casey Anthony?
 
More people are killed and mauled every year by "cute" puppy dogs,yet there is mass hysteria when someone is "attacked" by a gator or a shark.
 
Disney is a pile of plastic and fake happiness for folks to enjoy.

This lake is not real but another lame contrived Disney creation. They make it look like a beach and in their fakeness everything appears safe and happy. As part of the fakeness if they were aware of these creatures should have relocated them or killed them. Disney forgot the sign as that would ruin the glee of their suckers who pay for the fakeness.

That all being said it's simple a rare tragedy nothing more. This is not a parent fail just awful odds.

And yes I despise Disney. I have been for trade conferences and did not enjoy the parks.
 
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Disney is a pile of plastic and fake happiness for folks to enjoy.

This lake is not real but another lame contrived Disney creation. They make it look like a beach and in their fakeness everything appears safe and happy. As part of the fakeness if they were aware of these creatures should have relocated them or killed them. Disney forgot the sign as that would ruin the glee of their suckers who pay for the fakeness.

That all being said it's simple a rare tragedy nothing more. This is not a parent fail just awful odds.

And yes I despise Disney. I have been for trade conferences and did not enjoy the parks.



Ahhhhh, ok.

I must now wonder out loud if its a New England feels a certain way about Disney's business of selling happiness/fantasy. I have to ask out loud if its a common offense to New Englanders. (That may take some kind of issue with what Disney does or how they do it.)

That would explain much for me.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Someone got killed in your property you're liable.

Disney didn't have any sign on lake shore warning about alligator, and I don't think they have any written warning in any brochure about danger of alligator on their lakes.

The question is how much Disney and its insurance company will pay to the kid's parents.


They had signs that said no swimming! Do they really need to list the reasons why you shouldn't swim? Its Florida. They have alligators.

We've seriously lost our [censored]. This is a terrible accident, but today, thanks to the non stop 24 hour news cycle, and social media where everyone has an opinion it has turned into a lynching of Disney. Is what we do. From Cecil the lion, the gorilla, everyone is allowed to have an opinion, and they have to pile on to what is trending as the favorable opinion just so they can feel good about themselves. Then the media fans the flames. No one is ever responsible for their own actions anymore, and there must be a public media lynching of whoever we have decided was the bad guy in the case. People don't have hobbies any more. They need to find something productive to do with their time instead of tweeting their opinion. Yes, I blame twitter. Not one [censored] positive thing has ever come out of twitter.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27


They did have a very good track record.
Until some fool decided that the Florida gator was somehow a protected species.
As I posted above, hunt them until they are no more.
It's not as though any part of Florida can be regarded as a nature preserve.
Kill them all off and incidents like this one in this state which is both heavily populated and heavily visited won't happen.
I'd personally trade every gator for the son of one family.
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Pretty much everything you do entails more risk than being killed by a gator. Are you this hysterical about everything?
 
Originally Posted By: bvance554
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Someone got killed in your property you're liable.

Disney didn't have any sign on lake shore warning about alligator, and I don't think they have any written warning in any brochure about danger of alligator on their lakes.

The question is how much Disney and its insurance company will pay to the kid's parents.


They had signs that said no swimming! Do they really need to list the reasons why you shouldn't swim? Its Florida. They have alligators.

We've seriously lost our [censored]. This is a terrible accident, but today, thanks to the non stop 24 hour news cycle, and social media where everyone has an opinion it has turned into a lynching of Disney. Is what we do. From Cecil the lion, the gorilla, everyone is allowed to have an opinion, and they have to pile on to what is trending as the favorable opinion just so they can feel good about themselves. Then the media fans the flames. No one is ever responsible for their own actions anymore, and there must be a public media lynching of whoever we have decided was the bad guy in the case. People don't have hobbies any more. They need to find something productive to do with their time instead of tweeting their opinion. Yes, I blame twitter. Not one [censored] positive thing has ever come out of twitter.


^ This guy gets it.

Also, kudos on the reference to LYNCHING. Call it what it is. Some enjoy that kind of activity. Sick people.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Disney will pay good amount of money to the boy's parents, how much do you think it will be ? Between $1M and $5M ?


Little kids are only worth 5 million these days ? Meanwhile, a new fighter jet costs how much ?

Time Warner/ Disney 2015 Earnings 28.12 Billion


I'm not seeing the comparison between the two, Mr. Merk.

Samsung made billions and billions, but am I entitled to whatever portional percent my phone represents of units sold to how much they made as a whole, and a part of it because I might have one of their devices? Am I their "representative?" (Same reason guns can't be to blame for what is done with guns.)

Alligator lives matter. (Remember from Cecil? Or the gorilla?) That said, Cecil didn't kill, and the gorilla was giving every appearance of "Hulk Smash" baby. So the gorilla had it coming. And... Its a gorilla. so.. A couple of different angles on this.

We need to ultimately ask how the child came to be that close to an alligator. Disney can't be held responsible for acts of God.
 
Actually I recall hearing on FOX News that in fact Disney DOES have posted signage around those lakes regarding the presence of alligators and that adults should closely supervise children at all times.

Disney shouldn't pay a dime, the parents should have used common sense and due diligence, EVERYONE knows about gators in Florida lakes.
 
Major failure on Disney's warning signs.

The report I heard was that Disney only had signs that simply said "No Swimming". The signs didn't warn of any alligator danger, etc. I'm sure Disney will be paying some big bucks to the family of the kid. I heard Disney is already updating the signs.
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Disney shouldn't pay a dime, the parents should have used common sense and due diligence, EVERYONE knows about gators in Florida lakes.


Not necessarily people from other parts of the country or from other countries.
 
Originally Posted By: Prune_Juice
We need to ultimately ask how the child came to be that close to an alligator. Disney can't be held responsible for acts of God.


Report was that the kid was only in the water out a few feet and was only up to his knees or less just wading, not swimming. Alligators will come right up to shore and snap prey, and this was at night so nobody probably even saw the alligator in the water.
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I think killing several gators was just a feel good thing to do, not the gators fault. At dusk or night time, a toddler in light clothing probably looked like a nice big bird.


They killed 3 or 4 alligators in the area thinking the kid was inside. They wanted to recover his body ASAP. As most of you know, they found his body the next day under water as the alligator just dragged him under and he drowned, and the gator didn't eat him.
 
Originally Posted By: bvance554
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Someone got killed in your property you're liable.

Disney didn't have any sign on lake shore warning about alligator, and I don't think they have any written warning in any brochure about danger of alligator on their lakes.

The question is how much Disney and its insurance company will pay to the kid's parents.


They had signs that said no swimming! Do they really need to list the reasons why you shouldn't swim? Its Florida. They have alligators.


If Disney only had signs that simply said "No Swimming" they are going to get sued big time for negligence knowing the waters are infested with alligators. Wait and see how this all unfolds, you'll see Disney paying out some big settlement money.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: bvance554
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Someone got killed in your property you're liable.

Disney didn't have any sign on lake shore warning about alligator, and I don't think they have any written warning in any brochure about danger of alligator on their lakes.

The question is how much Disney and its insurance company will pay to the kid's parents.


They had signs that said no swimming! Do they really need to list the reasons why you shouldn't swim? Its Florida. They have alligators.


If Disney only had signs that simply said "No Swimming" they are going to get sued big time for negligence knowing the waters are infested with alligators. Wait and see how this all unfolds, you'll see Disney paying out some big settlement money.


So from now on a warning sign must list EVERY possible danger that is covered under the 'DO NOT XXX' or 'NO XXX.' I know how its going to play out, I don't need to watch anything. I just think it is completely ludicrous. If a seagull landed on your head and pecked your eyeballs out is that Disneys fault? Who would you sue? Seagulls weren't on the sign.
 
Originally Posted By: Prune_Juice
I'm not seeing the comparison between the two, Mr. Merk.


The value of life compared to the cost of war machines and the impact 5 million dollars would have on a mega billion dollar corporation. The CEO probably spends that much on lunch every year.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Disney will pay good amount of money to the boy's parents, how much do you think it will be ? Between $1M and $5M ?


Little kids are only worth 5 million these days ? Meanwhile, a new fighter jet costs how much ?


My view may not be popular, but as here in Oz, after TORT reform I've formed a view consistent with how workers, injuries via medical negligence etc. are handled.

Under Tort reform, there is NO compensation for pain and suffering.

As such, a two year old kid is "worth" literally nothing in monetary terms. They aren't breadwinners with a family relying on the income, they aren't losing income...

In a post tort reform world, the company has an obligation to make them whole if that can be done (clearly not here), regardless of the cost, but in terms of compensation to the parents...should be nada.

It's a horrid event, with multiple parties sharing some of the guilt.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
If Disney only had signs that simply said "No Swimming" they are going to get sued big time for negligence knowing the waters are infested with alligators. Wait and see how this all unfolds, you'll see Disney paying out some big settlement money.


Then your system is broken.

Nothing is more succinct than don't enter the water, whether it be for gators, or that's where the sewage ends up.

Throw in a hundred lines of fine print, and the guy who gets a brain eating amoeba was justified in swimming.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Someone got killed in your property you're liable.

Disney didn't have any sign on lake shore warning about alligator, and I don't think they have any written warning in any brochure about danger of alligator on their lakes.

The question is how much Disney and its insurance company will pay to the kid's parents.

Originally Posted By: bvance554
They had signs that said no swimming! Do they really need to list the reasons why you shouldn't swim? Its Florida. They have alligators.

We've seriously lost our [censored]. This is a terrible accident, but today, thanks to the non stop 24 hour news cycle, and social media where everyone has an opinion it has turned into a lynching of Disney. Is what we do. From Cecil the lion, the gorilla, everyone is allowed to have an opinion, and they have to pile on to what is trending as the favorable opinion just so they can feel good about themselves. Then the media fans the flames. No one is ever responsible for their own actions anymore, and there must be a public media lynching of whoever we have decided was the bad guy in the case. People don't have hobbies any more. They need to find something productive to do with their time instead of tweeting their opinion. Yes, I blame twitter. Not one [censored] positive thing has ever come out of twitter.

It isn't lynching Disney.

Accident happened and Disney didn't have clear sign warning about alligator.

Quote:
"When people think of Disney they think of magic, the unbelievable, and everything is going to be fun. This incident flies in the face of that," said Sam Singer, a crisis communications manager who represented the San Francisco Zoo after a tiger escaped and killed a teenage boy there in 2007.

The boy's family has not said it will file suit, saying in a public statement that they are "devastated" and thanking "local authorities and staff who worked tirelessly" after the attack.

But the possibility of a lawsuit makes Disney's response more complicated, experts said. "The more they say, the more liability they could potentially create for themselves," Singer said.


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"They are low key, contrite and helpful," Juda Engelmayer, a crisis manager at 5W PR, said of Disney's response. "That's all they can do at the moment."

They said one potential problem for the company could be that, despite creating an inviting beach environment with lounge chairs, Disney didn't post specific warnings about alligators, instead posting "no swimming" signs.

"These people are from Nebraska and I can guarantee never once did they think they were in any type of danger letting their child wade in six inches (15 cm) of water," said Orlando personal injury lawyer Lou Pendas, who has represented individuals in cases against Disney.


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Disney plans to install new signs warning of alligators in the area, a person familiar with the matter said on Thursday.

Pendas said he could only recall one other alligator attack in the 45 years that Disney has been operating in Florida, in the 1980s when an alligator bit an eight-year-old boy, who survived.

But, Pendas said, the rarity of such attacks did not relieve Disney of responsibility.

"This is unbelievably rare but could easily have been avoided by proper signage and perhaps building a retention wall to keep the alligators off the beach," he said. "The law says you have to take appropriate steps to keep your invitees safe."



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