Alligator killed 2-year-old boy in Disney World

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Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
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Extinction would be the best course for them in Florida.


That have a very good track record.


They did have a very good track record.
Until some fool decided that the Florida gator was somehow a protected species.
As I posted above, hunt them until they are no more.
It's not as though any part of Florida can be regarded as a nature preserve.
Kill them all off and incidents like this one in this state which is both heavily populated and heavily visited won't happen.
I'd personally trade every gator for the son of one family.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27

They did have a very good track record.
Until some fool decided that the Florida gator was somehow a protected species.
As I posted above, hunt them until they are no more.
It's not as though any part of Florida can be regarded as a nature preserve.
Kill them all off and incidents like this one in this state which is both heavily populated and heavily visited won't happen.
I'd personally trade every gator for the son of one family.


Do you lobby in your state to exterminate all the deer?
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Quote:

Extinction would be the best course for them in Florida.


That have a very good track record.


They did have a very good track record.
Until some fool decided that the Florida gator was somehow a protected species.
As I posted above, hunt them until they are no more.
It's not as though any part of Florida can be regarded as a nature preserve.
Kill them all off and incidents like this one in this state which is both heavily populated and heavily visited won't happen.
I'd personally trade every gator for the son of one family.


That's a similar sentiment to the people in Africa that live near lions. While many Americans were quick to demonize that dentist that killed the lion, the locals were not mourning. Lions kill people, too.

I guess by this sentiment, we should eliminate any dangerous animal anywhere in the world. No more bees, big cats, [censored], even dogs. Kill them all.
 
Disney is known for having an army of powerful attorneys that shut down any and all questionable/false legal claims swiftly and even threateningly. However, they are also equally as adept at handling situations that need a more delicate touch.

This isn't a case where Disney can dig in and defend themselves right now - if they can at all. A child has been tragically, horrifically and (worst of all) publicly lost in their park. Disney's best bet is to step up, do the right thing, help that family and try to prevent this from happening ever again. They can't be cagey about this - it all must be handled with clarity and as much transparency as the family allows. Disney knows this. They are experts at crafting what they want us to see.

They helped local authorities in the rescue and recovery, offered assistance to the family and comped a TON of hotel rooms for other guests who were there at the time. Disney isn't stupid - it's going to cost them big in the long run for not only what they'll give to the family, but also with respect to this as a PR nightmare at the (formerly) Happiest Place On Earth. They'll pay it.
 
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Quote:

Extinction would be the best course for them in Florida.


That have a very good track record.


They did have a very good track record.
Until some fool decided that the Florida gator was somehow a protected species.
As I posted above, hunt them until they are no more.
It's not as though any part of Florida can be regarded as a nature preserve.
Kill them all off and incidents like this one in this state which is both heavily populated and heavily visited won't happen.
I'd personally trade every gator for the son of one family.
that is complete and utter nonsense. Nothing like that deserves extinction. I feel for the family, I truly do. My son is 4 and my daughter will be 6 on the 30th. You can't take responsibility from parents. It happens too much anymore... "someone should've done this, someone should've posted that" how in the widest world did our ancestors handle not having warnings everywhere? My god, how did we survive! Sometimes (most of the time) I think we should pull all the warning labels and let Darwin take over. I have a strict policy for my family. If we are out, we hold hands, one child and one parent. If they aren't in a shopping cart then hands are in hands. However, given the nature of that lagoons inhabitants better signage would help in a park such as that.. lol the contridiction.
 
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THe family were "business invitees". They are due the highest level of care, including NOT expecting them, being from Nebraska, to know all about alligators in Florida.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Quote:

Extinction would be the best course for them in Florida.


That have a very good track record.


They did have a very good track record.
Until some fool decided that the Florida gator was somehow a protected species.
As I posted above, hunt them until they are no more.
It's not as though any part of Florida can be regarded as a nature preserve.
Kill them all off and incidents like this one in this state which is both heavily populated and heavily visited won't happen.
I'd personally trade every gator for the son of one family.



What a stupid statement!

It is a very sad event, but the kid was the only one wading in the lagoon marked "No swimming". THE ONLY ONE. What was a 2 year old kid doing wading unattended in 1 foot deep water? It's Florida you're in a lagoon, it's not a stretch to figure there would be a gator in the water. I'm from the middle of Iowa- never seen a gator but a have a pretty good idea that it's not a wise thing to wade into "no swimming" waters in the middle of Florida! Yeah, kill em all so other species can take over and overpopulate.

Also keep in mind that you are 20 times more likely to be killed by a dog than a gator. Livestock, horses, insects- they are all more likely to kill you than a gator. You wanna exterminate all them too?
 
Those parents will be forever scar'd, traumatized, and damaged. This is something that "won't blow over", that you don't "get over and move on with your life", at least not for people who have a conscience, who care about their family and loved ones.

It will leave a very, deep and lasting mental, emotional & spiritual scar. Further, they'll be forever known as the parents whose 2yr old was dragged off by a croc.

True, many no longer appreciate the TRUE definition of a WILD animal and how DANGEROUS they can be, especially PREDATORS. This isn't some movie or a video or a child's book, they paid for their __________ (FITB) with their 2yr olds life.

Fate has indeed handed them an immense burden they may not be able to carry for long......

Just incredibly sad....all the way around.
 
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Those parents will be forever scar'd, traumatized, and damaged. This is something that "won't blow over", that you don't "get over and move on with your life", at least not for people who have a conscience, who care about their family and loved ones.

It will leave a very, deep and lasting mental, emotional & spiritual scar. Further, they'll be forever known as the parents whose 2yr old was dragged off by a croc.

True, many no longer appreciate the TRUE definition of a WILD animal and how DANGEROUS they can be, especially PREDATORS. This isn't some movie or a video or a child's book, they paid for their __________ (FITB) with their 2yr olds life.

Fate has indeed handed them an immense burden they may not be able to carry for long......

Just incredibly sad....all the way around.


Well said! Time for a lock.
 
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The boy waded into the water that said no swimming. Tragic yes, sad yes. I realize the time it takes for a small one to slip away.. But not sure how clear signage needs to be.. There are gators in florida.. I dont think killing the gators does anything, pretty cruel if you ask me. Its tragic and maybe gator warning signs should exist but it wont stop things like this from happening. If you have ever been to Disney, they set the bar in customer service. I think we can say the blame could go either way.
 
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
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Idiotic parents don't watch their kids, we saw that with the Zoo incident the other week.


Pretty clear you have never been around small children.

It only takes a few seconds.....


Ahh, yes that brings back memories of this short film:
 
Here's something I read today.

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Parents, I beg of you, stop blaming and shaming other parents.
35 years ago, a mom shopping in a Sears department store went to go look at lamps, and left her six year old with another group of boys, who were all trying out the new Atari game at a kiosk. That boy’s name was Adam Walsh.
30 years ago, an 18 month old toddler playing in her aunt’s backyard fell into a well. Rescuers worked nonstop for 58 hours, finally freeing “Baby Jessica” from the well.
In both cases a tragedy happened, an unforeseen tragic accident took place which left Adam dead, and a toddler fighting for her life deep underground. But they also has something else in common; they had an entire country of moms and dads supporting the grieving parents.
Let me repeat that, EVERYONE SUPPORTED THE RESCUE EFFORTS WITHOUT BLAME. NO BLAME. None. ZERO.
No questions asked, not one single “Where were the parents?” comment. Just a country of other moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas watching in horror as a set of parents, one of their own, went through the unthinkable. Adam was our son. Jessica was our baby daughter.
THOSE PARENTS WERE US.
Flash forward to 2016, the year of THE PERFECT PARENT.
Yesterday, a two year old boy, splashing in the magical lakefront waters of a Disney Resort, succumbed to the wilds of mother nature. An aggressive alligator scooped him out of the water, right under the watch of his father, who attempted to fight with the alligator to free his baby son. Pure horror. Sheer Terror. Parents who actually had to watch their baby be taken from them, as if they were in some African nature documentary.
A tragic and unforeseeable accident. An accident.
I weep for this mother and father. I am sick with anguish for the pain, agony, misery, and regret pulsating through their viens this very second. And I bet you are too.
But not everyone is.
You see, we now live in a time where accidents are not allowed happen. You heard me. Accidents, of any form, in any way, and at any time, well, they just don’t happen anymore.
Why? Because BLAME and SHAME.
Because we have become a nation of BLAMERS and SHAMERS.
And how are accidents allowed to happen if we can’t blame someone? Surly, they can’t, right? I mean, random acts of nature, unpreventable tragedies, and fateful life changing events that take place in a matter of nanoseconds cannot possibly take place if everyone is being a responsible parent, right? NOPE.
They can’t, because this country and its population of perfect pitchfork carrying mothers and fathers sitting behind keyboards needs to accuse. They NEED TO BLAME, to disparage, to criticize in every [censored] way and at every [censored] corner, the parenting of another.
And when do they really get to lick their blaming chops? When a tragic accident happens. That’s when the pouncing is at its freshest, when raw emotion and ignorance collide, and they dig their word claws in, and take hold of whatever grace these grieving mothers and fathers have left in their souls.
And then they tear it out.
Listen to me very clearly perfect parents, VERY CLEARLY.
I’VE HAD ENOUGH.
I’ve had enough of scrolling through comment threads and seeing over and over again questions like “Where were the parents?” and thoughts like, “This is what happens when you don’t watch your kids.”
I have simply HAD ENOUGH.
I have one question for the blaming and shaming moms and dads. You know the ones who immediately blame the parents, the ones who go on the internet and type comments like, “This is nothing but neglect by the parents,” and “They should have known better. Who was watching that little boy?” and my favorite, “I would never let that happen to my kid.”
Here is my question,
Have you ever been to a child’s funeral before?
I have.
The funeral of a child is an event in life that you never, ever want to experience.
Now let me ask you another question.
In the coming week these parents will fly back to their home in Nebraska without one of their children. They will leave a vacation resort, packing up his Buzz Lightyear pajamas and his favorite blanket, and they will make an excruciatingly difficult journey home. A journey that they never in a million years thought they would be making.
They will meet with a funeral director, pick out a tiny casket, a tiny burial suit, and surrounded by family, they will bury their baby boy.
And they will suffer every single day for the rest of their life.
At the funeral for this two year boy who died in front of his parents, can you do me a favor? Can you walk up to the mother and say the words that you just typed out last week? Can you? Can you greet her, hug her, shake the father’s hand and then say, “ Who was watching that little boy? You should have known better. I would never let that happen to MY child.”
Can you do that for me? I mean, you felt those words so deeply in your heart and soul that you typed them for a million people to read. Certainly you can say it straight to the faces of the people you meant it for, right?
Here, let me help you.
Put away your pitchfork for a moment and try this.
To the mother and father who went for a walk on vacation for the last time with their little boy yesterday, I am deeply sorry that you had to experience the worst kind of tragedy possible, an accident. I grieve with you. Your baby was my baby. Your son was my son. I have nothing but love for you, love to help you get though the pain yesterday, today, and for what is gonna seem like a thousand tomorrows. I wrap my thoughts and prayers around your aching heart and soul. May the God of this universe in some miraculous way bring peace to you and your family.
That is what you say. THAT. And just THAT.
Stop the blaming.
Stop the shaming.
In their darkest hours, can we please just LOVE other parents. Please?
 
Its so tragic. As a parent it almost made me throw up when i heard about this. I agree that parents should watch their children, many don't watch them close enough. Having said that its easy for them to get a few feet away in a matter of seconds. Disney had signs stating no swimming, a lot of places do. They should have had signs that state their are alligators in the waters. People in florida know that almost any open water area has gators. People from Nebraska might not know this, especially in a nice well kept resort area. In that situation, no swimming would not indicate that you could be eaten if you do.

If the parent was walking near the water holding the child's hand, this still could have happened.

Gators can move in short bursts and are ambush attackers. They leap from the water with little warning. At dusk or night time, you might never see them before they move.

Considering that people from all over the world visit disney resorts, they should have appropriate warnings about alligators.

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I think killing several gators was just a feel good thing to do, not the gators fault. At dusk or night time, a toddler in light clothing probably looked like a nice big bird.
 
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Lots of bad news from Orlando this week...


Is there ever anything good to come out of Florida?
 
I feel badly that this sort of thing happens. I'd like to not feel like blaming anyone, but in the end, we are all responsible for our own safety, and I don't think Disney set up a situation dangerous to most. If nothing else, it was an awful accident with deadly results.

Every situation has risks. Whether it's visiting the islands during hurricane season, a foreign country, or a different town. Walking on the side of the road requires understanding cars and other vehicles may be there too. Florida and fresh water mean alligators and other critters will be present to me, and I live 1000 miles from there. To me, I read the sign as 'stay out of the water'.

While you may be at Disney or wherever, it isn't a movie ! You need to be aware. Think like a Boy Scout and be prepared.
 
I heard there are signs around that lake "no swimming". I spent the winter in Fl and there are too many gators. They are everywhere and are still "protected" which is [censored].
They get used to people around and aren't bothered by them. They are aggressive and territorial during breeding season.(males)
Disney certainly could clear most of them out and probably will now.
Such an exciting time for all, kids and parents, a trip to Disney. And to have this happen is terrible.
 
Originally Posted By: JennyHemi
Disney is known for having an army of powerful attorneys that shut down any and all questionable/false legal claims swiftly and even threateningly. However, they are also equally as adept at handling situations that need a more delicate touch.

This isn't a case where Disney can dig in and defend themselves right now - if they can at all. A child has been tragically, horrifically and (worst of all) publicly lost in their park. Disney's best bet is to step up, do the right thing, help that family and try to prevent this from happening ever again. They can't be cagey about this - it all must be handled with clarity and as much transparency as the family allows. Disney knows this. They are experts at crafting what they want us to see.

They helped local authorities in the rescue and recovery, offered assistance to the family and comped a TON of hotel rooms for other guests who were there at the time. Disney isn't stupid - it's going to cost them big in the long run for not only what they'll give to the family, but also with respect to this as a PR nightmare at the (formerly) Happiest Place On Earth. They'll pay it.


Are you going to boycott Disney?

Aren't theme parks inherently dangerous?
 
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