Alcohol use for the buzz, taste or both?
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I look down on folks that drink. A glass of wine with dinner, fine. Anything more than that, scum. Just my opinion based on being raised by an alcoholic step-father, after my real father was killed by a drunk driver. And 10 years as a deputy where 95% of the problems I encountered were caused by...alcohol.
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
My boss got me an expensive bottle of Rum for Christmas... I drink zero alcohol.
Id give it back to him and tell him it was a terrible gift. No thanks. Some people are clueless.
My boss got me an expensive bottle of Rum for Christmas... I drink zero alcohol.
Id give it back to him and tell him it was a terrible gift. No thanks. Some people are clueless.
For the buzz and the taste. It's certainly a cultural thing in Oz, at any sort of gathering there'll be beer and wine on offer. I sometimes go weeks between drinks. Get really hammered maybe 3 or 4 times a year with a group of mates, and wake up vowing never to do it again...
Originally Posted By: grampi
Nothing is completely harmless, but to say marijuana is as harmful as alcohol just proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Exactly where did I say that? Apart from in your imagination?
Nothing is completely harmless, but to say marijuana is as harmful as alcohol just proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Exactly where did I say that? Apart from in your imagination?
Originally Posted By: andrewg
And as for you comment about misinformed alcoholics? I do trust you aren't referring to me, because I drink about five drinks per calendar year.
Then why are you posting in this thread? Your opinions about products you don't use are not needed to further this discussion.
And as for you comment about misinformed alcoholics? I do trust you aren't referring to me, because I drink about five drinks per calendar year.
Then why are you posting in this thread? Your opinions about products you don't use are not needed to further this discussion.
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Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Are you drinking one now Overkill?
I'll have one later. Received some various beers from relatives for Christmas. So look forward to that. My new thing is to not drink two days in a row and keep it to one beer.
No, had my last one from the batch I purchased before Christmas yesterday. Actually headed out to deposit some money and hit the LCBO right now, LOL
I had a Mill Street Oktoberfest beer awhile back, was very good! I usually buy their mix packs when they become available.
If you can get (ask at the LCBO, they can bring it on) Smithhaven, their festbier is amazing, but their whole product lineup is REALLY good. They are a local brew (so is Publican House if you've heard of that one).
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Are you drinking one now Overkill?
I'll have one later. Received some various beers from relatives for Christmas. So look forward to that. My new thing is to not drink two days in a row and keep it to one beer.
No, had my last one from the batch I purchased before Christmas yesterday. Actually headed out to deposit some money and hit the LCBO right now, LOL
I had a Mill Street Oktoberfest beer awhile back, was very good! I usually buy their mix packs when they become available.
If you can get (ask at the LCBO, they can bring it on) Smithhaven, their festbier is amazing, but their whole product lineup is REALLY good. They are a local brew (so is Publican House if you've heard of that one).
Originally Posted By: UberArchetype
Originally Posted By: andrewg
And as for you comment about misinformed alcoholics? I do trust you aren't referring to me, because I drink about five drinks per calendar year.
Then why are you posting in this thread? Your opinions about products you don't use are not needed to further this discussion.
I'll express my opinion as often as I like regardless of what you think. Are you the "thread master" who feels they have a right to pick and choose what opinions are valid or not?
Take a hike.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
And as for you comment about misinformed alcoholics? I do trust you aren't referring to me, because I drink about five drinks per calendar year.
Then why are you posting in this thread? Your opinions about products you don't use are not needed to further this discussion.
I'll express my opinion as often as I like regardless of what you think. Are you the "thread master" who feels they have a right to pick and choose what opinions are valid or not?
Take a hike.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: UberArchetype
There is mounting evidence that alcohol consumption is very detrimental to your health . It is by far the the most dangerous drug in the world. Society has been brainwashed to ignore or overlook this simple fact for at least the last 100 years, while economic interests continue colluding with the government to suppress competition, propping up the liquor industry and Big Pharma:
Same thing has been happening with marijuana. It's equal to booze in it's detrimental effects and is also propped up as some sort of "harmless" and "natural" drug for the masses.
It's not.
Nothing is completely harmless, but to say marijuana is as harmful as alcohol just proves you don't know what you're talking about...there are tens of thousands of people who die from alcoholism each year, and even more who suffer ailments from drinking, but where are those ailing from using marijuana? Millions of people smoke it, and yet we don't see people dying, or even showing any ill-effects from its use. Why is that?
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: UberArchetype
There is mounting evidence that alcohol consumption is very detrimental to your health . It is by far the the most dangerous drug in the world. Society has been brainwashed to ignore or overlook this simple fact for at least the last 100 years, while economic interests continue colluding with the government to suppress competition, propping up the liquor industry and Big Pharma:
Same thing has been happening with marijuana. It's equal to booze in it's detrimental effects and is also propped up as some sort of "harmless" and "natural" drug for the masses.
It's not.
Nothing is completely harmless, but to say marijuana is as harmful as alcohol just proves you don't know what you're talking about...there are tens of thousands of people who die from alcoholism each year, and even more who suffer ailments from drinking, but where are those ailing from using marijuana? Millions of people smoke it, and yet we don't see people dying, or even showing any ill-effects from its use. Why is that?
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
No question in my mind that marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's probably safer than sugar! Certainly safer than a lot of prescription drugs that are prescribed for ailments that marijuana can treat more safely.
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
No question in my mind that marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's probably safer than sugar! Certainly safer than a lot of prescription drugs that are prescribed for ailments that marijuana can treat more safely.
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
No question in my mind that marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's probably safer than sugar! Certainly safer than a lot of prescription drugs that are prescribed for ailments that marijuana can treat more safely.
No problem. I disagree. Safer than sugar? That's an odd opinion...but okay.
Booze, prescription drugs (when abused), and marijuana...are ALL a HUGE danger....but in different ways. Another poster was blathering about "millions" of weed users that have had no ill effects. That's an incredible amount of people he must know to make that conclusion. I can easily counter with BILLIONS of folks in the world that drink alcohol...with no ill effects whatsoever. What do statements like that prove?
It's a pity that our current culture chooses to hold up marijuana as an almost harmless and benign drug. It's simply not true. It's addictive for one thing. That addiction isn't harmless. The psychoactive chemicals in the drug itself are very harmful to the human body. The psychological effects alone, for many, can include the onset of extreme paranoia and even clinical schizophrenia. The physical effects are also highly destructive. I'm not going to get into all this...as I can see that I am in the minority here (something I am used to and take pride in). I didn't want to derail the thread...just wanted to interject an opinion.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
No question in my mind that marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's probably safer than sugar! Certainly safer than a lot of prescription drugs that are prescribed for ailments that marijuana can treat more safely.
No problem. I disagree. Safer than sugar? That's an odd opinion...but okay.
Booze, prescription drugs (when abused), and marijuana...are ALL a HUGE danger....but in different ways. Another poster was blathering about "millions" of weed users that have had no ill effects. That's an incredible amount of people he must know to make that conclusion. I can easily counter with BILLIONS of folks in the world that drink alcohol...with no ill effects whatsoever. What do statements like that prove?
It's a pity that our current culture chooses to hold up marijuana as an almost harmless and benign drug. It's simply not true. It's addictive for one thing. That addiction isn't harmless. The psychoactive chemicals in the drug itself are very harmful to the human body. The psychological effects alone, for many, can include the onset of extreme paranoia and even clinical schizophrenia. The physical effects are also highly destructive. I'm not going to get into all this...as I can see that I am in the minority here (something I am used to and take pride in). I didn't want to derail the thread...just wanted to interject an opinion.
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
No question in my mind that marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's probably safer than sugar! Certainly safer than a lot of prescription drugs that are prescribed for ailments that marijuana can treat more safely.
No problem. I disagree. Safer than sugar? That's an odd opinion...but okay.
Booze, prescription drugs (when abused), and marijuana...are ALL a HUGE danger....but in different ways. Another poster was blathering about "millions" of weed users that have had no ill effects. That's an incredible amount of people he must know to make that conclusion. I can easily counter with BILLIONS of folks in the world that drink alcohol...with no ill effects whatsoever. What do statements like that prove?
It's a pity that our current culture chooses to hold up marijuana as an almost harmless and benign drug. It's simply not true. It's addictive for one thing. That addiction isn't harmless. The psychoactive chemicals in the drug itself are very harmful to the human body. The psychological effects alone, for many, can include the onset of extreme paranoia and even clinical schizophrenia. The physical effects are also highly destructive. I'm not going to get into all this...as I can see that I am in the minority here (something I am used to and take pride in). I didn't want to derail the thread...just wanted to interject an opinion.
All drugs are addictive and detrimental, including sugar and caffeine. Look at all the negative health effects sugar has on the body. I'm not saying marijuana is completely safe and has no side effects, but it needs to be put into perspective. No question in my mind it is safer than alcohol and many prescription drugs.
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
No question in my mind that marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's probably safer than sugar! Certainly safer than a lot of prescription drugs that are prescribed for ailments that marijuana can treat more safely.
No problem. I disagree. Safer than sugar? That's an odd opinion...but okay.
Booze, prescription drugs (when abused), and marijuana...are ALL a HUGE danger....but in different ways. Another poster was blathering about "millions" of weed users that have had no ill effects. That's an incredible amount of people he must know to make that conclusion. I can easily counter with BILLIONS of folks in the world that drink alcohol...with no ill effects whatsoever. What do statements like that prove?
It's a pity that our current culture chooses to hold up marijuana as an almost harmless and benign drug. It's simply not true. It's addictive for one thing. That addiction isn't harmless. The psychoactive chemicals in the drug itself are very harmful to the human body. The psychological effects alone, for many, can include the onset of extreme paranoia and even clinical schizophrenia. The physical effects are also highly destructive. I'm not going to get into all this...as I can see that I am in the minority here (something I am used to and take pride in). I didn't want to derail the thread...just wanted to interject an opinion.
All drugs are addictive and detrimental, including sugar and caffeine. Look at all the negative health effects sugar has on the body. I'm not saying marijuana is completely safe and has no side effects, but it needs to be put into perspective. No question in my mind it is safer than alcohol and many prescription drugs.
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
No question in my mind that marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's probably safer than sugar! Certainly safer than a lot of prescription drugs that are prescribed for ailments that marijuana can treat more safely.
No problem. I disagree. Safer than sugar? That's an odd opinion...but okay.
Booze, prescription drugs (when abused), and marijuana...are ALL a HUGE danger....but in different ways. Another poster was blathering about "millions" of weed users that have had no ill effects. That's an incredible amount of people he must know to make that conclusion. I can easily counter with BILLIONS of folks in the world that drink alcohol...with no ill effects whatsoever. What do statements like that prove?
It's a pity that our current culture chooses to hold up marijuana as an almost harmless and benign drug. It's simply not true. It's addictive for one thing. That addiction isn't harmless. The psychoactive chemicals in the drug itself are very harmful to the human body. The psychological effects alone, for many, can include the onset of extreme paranoia and even clinical schizophrenia. The physical effects are also highly destructive. I'm not going to get into all this...as I can see that I am in the minority here (something I am used to and take pride in). I didn't want to derail the thread...just wanted to interject an opinion.
All drugs are addictive and detrimental, including sugar and caffeine. Look at all the negative health effects sugar has on the body. I'm not saying marijuana is completely safe and has no side effects, but it needs to be put into perspective. No question in my mind it is safer than alcohol and many prescription drugs.
How is a properly utilized and prescribed prescription drug more harmful than marijuana?? I've taken prescription drugs as needed since I was a child....and it saved me from pain and infections.
I think what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges here. You are talking about abusing prescription drugs. The VAST majority are not being abused.
As for sugar being more harmful than weed (in your opinion)....so would you rather a young boy or girl eat a bowl of Sugar Pops...or smoke a bowl of weed? What is less dangerous?
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
No question in my mind that marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's probably safer than sugar! Certainly safer than a lot of prescription drugs that are prescribed for ailments that marijuana can treat more safely.
No problem. I disagree. Safer than sugar? That's an odd opinion...but okay.
Booze, prescription drugs (when abused), and marijuana...are ALL a HUGE danger....but in different ways. Another poster was blathering about "millions" of weed users that have had no ill effects. That's an incredible amount of people he must know to make that conclusion. I can easily counter with BILLIONS of folks in the world that drink alcohol...with no ill effects whatsoever. What do statements like that prove?
It's a pity that our current culture chooses to hold up marijuana as an almost harmless and benign drug. It's simply not true. It's addictive for one thing. That addiction isn't harmless. The psychoactive chemicals in the drug itself are very harmful to the human body. The psychological effects alone, for many, can include the onset of extreme paranoia and even clinical schizophrenia. The physical effects are also highly destructive. I'm not going to get into all this...as I can see that I am in the minority here (something I am used to and take pride in). I didn't want to derail the thread...just wanted to interject an opinion.
All drugs are addictive and detrimental, including sugar and caffeine. Look at all the negative health effects sugar has on the body. I'm not saying marijuana is completely safe and has no side effects, but it needs to be put into perspective. No question in my mind it is safer than alcohol and many prescription drugs.
How is a properly utilized and prescribed prescription drug more harmful than marijuana?? I've taken prescription drugs as needed since I was a child....and it saved me from pain and infections.
I think what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges here. You are talking about abusing prescription drugs. The VAST majority are not being abused.
As for sugar being more harmful than weed (in your opinion)....so would you rather a young boy or girl eat a bowl of Sugar Pops...or smoke a bowl of weed? What is less dangerous?
Originally Posted By: andrewg
How is a properly utilized and prescribed prescription drug more harmful than marijuana?? I've taken prescription drugs as needed since I was a child....and it saved me from pain and infections.
I think what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges here. You are talking about abusing prescription drugs. The VAST majority are not being abused.
That is an amazing amount of faith you have in prescription drugs. They don't have to be abused to be dangerous.
Here's a sampling of class action lawsuits...
https://www.thejusticelawyer.com/dangerous-drugs-and-devices-list.html
And when they are abused, it's a whole different level of bad than pot or even alcohol. I have seen formerly normal people burglarize their own friends' houses due to opiate addictions that started with legal prescription drugs. Sorry, but that doesn't happen with pot or alcohol. Opiates are extremely dangerous.
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As for sugar being more harmful than weed (in your opinion)....so would you rather a young boy or girl eat a bowl of Sugar Pops...or smoke a bowl of weed? What is less dangerous?
Talk about apples to oranges. I would say CBD oil would be more beneficial to a child suffering from epileptic seizures than a bowl of Sugar Pops. By weight, I'm pretty sure pure sugar would kill you much faster no matter how it's consumed. Granted, it takes a lot of either substance. It doesn't take all that much alcohol to kill a person though. It's really not that hard to drink a deadly amount, and even if you don't drink enough to kill yourself in one sitting, the long term effects of alcoholism are really, really bad.
I don't think anyone has said pot is harmless. Less harmful than many legal things though? Certainly.
I have past experience abusing alcohol, weed, and sugar (and dabbled in other things)...sometimes all three or more together. Of those three, alcohol scares me the most by far. The consequences of alcohol abuse are the worst of those three...literally no comparison.
How is a properly utilized and prescribed prescription drug more harmful than marijuana?? I've taken prescription drugs as needed since I was a child....and it saved me from pain and infections.
I think what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges here. You are talking about abusing prescription drugs. The VAST majority are not being abused.
That is an amazing amount of faith you have in prescription drugs. They don't have to be abused to be dangerous.
Here's a sampling of class action lawsuits...
https://www.thejusticelawyer.com/dangerous-drugs-and-devices-list.html
And when they are abused, it's a whole different level of bad than pot or even alcohol. I have seen formerly normal people burglarize their own friends' houses due to opiate addictions that started with legal prescription drugs. Sorry, but that doesn't happen with pot or alcohol. Opiates are extremely dangerous.
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As for sugar being more harmful than weed (in your opinion)....so would you rather a young boy or girl eat a bowl of Sugar Pops...or smoke a bowl of weed? What is less dangerous?
Talk about apples to oranges. I would say CBD oil would be more beneficial to a child suffering from epileptic seizures than a bowl of Sugar Pops. By weight, I'm pretty sure pure sugar would kill you much faster no matter how it's consumed. Granted, it takes a lot of either substance. It doesn't take all that much alcohol to kill a person though. It's really not that hard to drink a deadly amount, and even if you don't drink enough to kill yourself in one sitting, the long term effects of alcoholism are really, really bad.
I don't think anyone has said pot is harmless. Less harmful than many legal things though? Certainly.
I have past experience abusing alcohol, weed, and sugar (and dabbled in other things)...sometimes all three or more together. Of those three, alcohol scares me the most by far. The consequences of alcohol abuse are the worst of those three...literally no comparison.
Originally Posted By: supton
I'm waiting to see how it pans out for health--I've heard of the J curve, and read that it is under scrutiny.
Yes, it is. I liked booze in the day, but I liked it too much.
I wish non-alcoholic beer was better than it is. At least it's better than it was. That's the worst for me, since microbrewed beer was always among my favorite things. Having to settle for some of the near beer out there is an abomination.
I'm waiting to see how it pans out for health--I've heard of the J curve, and read that it is under scrutiny.
Yes, it is. I liked booze in the day, but I liked it too much.
I wish non-alcoholic beer was better than it is. At least it's better than it was. That's the worst for me, since microbrewed beer was always among my favorite things. Having to settle for some of the near beer out there is an abomination.
Went to Vancouver Canada one year. Tried their Molsen Gold beer. Ruined me. After that, never could find any beer that tastes that good stateside. Finally gave up and decided not to drink any beer until I go back to Vancouver someday.
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: andrewg
How is a properly utilized and prescribed prescription drug more harmful than marijuana?? I've taken prescription drugs as needed since I was a child....and it saved me from pain and infections.
I think what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges here. You are talking about abusing prescription drugs. The VAST majority are not being abused.
That is an amazing amount of faith you have in prescription drugs. They don't have to be abused to be dangerous.
Here's a sampling of class action lawsuits...
https://www.thejusticelawyer.com/dangerous-drugs-and-devices-list.html
And when they are abused, it's a whole different level of bad than pot or even alcohol. I have seen formerly normal people burglarize their own friends' houses due to opiate addictions that started with legal prescription drugs. Sorry, but that doesn't happen with pot or alcohol. Opiates are extremely dangerous.
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As for sugar being more harmful than weed (in your opinion)....so would you rather a young boy or girl eat a bowl of Sugar Pops...or smoke a bowl of weed? What is less dangerous?
Talk about apples to oranges. I would say CBD oil would be more beneficial to a child suffering from epileptic seizures than a bowl of Sugar Pops. By weight, I'm pretty sure pure sugar would kill you much faster no matter how it's consumed. Granted, it takes a lot of either substance. It doesn't take all that much alcohol to kill a person though. It's really not that hard to drink a deadly amount, and even if you don't drink enough to kill yourself in one sitting, the long term effects of alcoholism are really, really bad.
I don't think anyone has said pot is harmless. Less harmful than many legal things though? Certainly.
I have past experience abusing alcohol, weed, and sugar (and dabbled in other things)...sometimes all three or more together. Of those three, alcohol scares me the most by far. The consequences of alcohol abuse are the worst of those three...literally no comparison.
I wasn't the one that originally made the comparison of sugar to weed. I was highlighting in a simplistic way that having a bowl of sugar laced cereal, although not healthy, isn't in the same dangerous category as marijuana. I was responding to the previous poster who did in fact come very close (as a couple of others have)to basically saying that pot is harmless.
As for my "faith" in prescription drugs? When needed, you're darn right I do....as should you. Many of us would be dead if it wasn't for them. It's highly foolish to think otherwise. Maybe you'd like to venture back in history a couple of hundred years and then get ill. I'm sure some blood-letting would do wonders.
As for alcohol? Literally millions (if not billions worldwide) partake in a bit of drinking now and then. No ill effects. Not everybody can or will become an alcoholic. Not even close. But I'd be willing to bet the health and mental state of most pot users worldwide isn't exactly any better. Most weed users accomplish little in life. They often suffer from laziness, apathy, low reproductive health, and of course...partake in more deadly drug addictions than marijuana.
in a perfect world people wouldn't make stupid choices. But they do and always will.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
How is a properly utilized and prescribed prescription drug more harmful than marijuana?? I've taken prescription drugs as needed since I was a child....and it saved me from pain and infections.
I think what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges here. You are talking about abusing prescription drugs. The VAST majority are not being abused.
That is an amazing amount of faith you have in prescription drugs. They don't have to be abused to be dangerous.
Here's a sampling of class action lawsuits...
https://www.thejusticelawyer.com/dangerous-drugs-and-devices-list.html
And when they are abused, it's a whole different level of bad than pot or even alcohol. I have seen formerly normal people burglarize their own friends' houses due to opiate addictions that started with legal prescription drugs. Sorry, but that doesn't happen with pot or alcohol. Opiates are extremely dangerous.
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As for sugar being more harmful than weed (in your opinion)....so would you rather a young boy or girl eat a bowl of Sugar Pops...or smoke a bowl of weed? What is less dangerous?
Talk about apples to oranges. I would say CBD oil would be more beneficial to a child suffering from epileptic seizures than a bowl of Sugar Pops. By weight, I'm pretty sure pure sugar would kill you much faster no matter how it's consumed. Granted, it takes a lot of either substance. It doesn't take all that much alcohol to kill a person though. It's really not that hard to drink a deadly amount, and even if you don't drink enough to kill yourself in one sitting, the long term effects of alcoholism are really, really bad.
I don't think anyone has said pot is harmless. Less harmful than many legal things though? Certainly.
I have past experience abusing alcohol, weed, and sugar (and dabbled in other things)...sometimes all three or more together. Of those three, alcohol scares me the most by far. The consequences of alcohol abuse are the worst of those three...literally no comparison.
I wasn't the one that originally made the comparison of sugar to weed. I was highlighting in a simplistic way that having a bowl of sugar laced cereal, although not healthy, isn't in the same dangerous category as marijuana. I was responding to the previous poster who did in fact come very close (as a couple of others have)to basically saying that pot is harmless.
As for my "faith" in prescription drugs? When needed, you're darn right I do....as should you. Many of us would be dead if it wasn't for them. It's highly foolish to think otherwise. Maybe you'd like to venture back in history a couple of hundred years and then get ill. I'm sure some blood-letting would do wonders.
As for alcohol? Literally millions (if not billions worldwide) partake in a bit of drinking now and then. No ill effects. Not everybody can or will become an alcoholic. Not even close. But I'd be willing to bet the health and mental state of most pot users worldwide isn't exactly any better. Most weed users accomplish little in life. They often suffer from laziness, apathy, low reproductive health, and of course...partake in more deadly drug addictions than marijuana.
in a perfect world people wouldn't make stupid choices. But they do and always will.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: UberArchetype
There is mounting evidence that alcohol consumption is very detrimental to your health . It is by far the the most dangerous drug in the world. Society has been brainwashed to ignore or overlook this simple fact for at least the last 100 years, while economic interests continue colluding with the government to suppress competition, propping up the liquor industry and Big Pharma:
Same thing has been happening with marijuana. It's equal to booze in it's detrimental effects and is also propped up as some sort of "harmless" and "natural" drug for the masses.
It's not.
Nothing is completely harmless, but to say marijuana is as harmful as alcohol just proves you don't know what you're talking about...there are tens of thousands of people who die from alcoholism each year, and even more who suffer ailments from drinking, but where are those ailing from using marijuana? Millions of people smoke it, and yet we don't see people dying, or even showing any ill-effects from its use. Why is that?
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
You people who still base your opinions on marijuana from antiquated and inaccurate information from the 19th century crack me up!
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: UberArchetype
There is mounting evidence that alcohol consumption is very detrimental to your health . It is by far the the most dangerous drug in the world. Society has been brainwashed to ignore or overlook this simple fact for at least the last 100 years, while economic interests continue colluding with the government to suppress competition, propping up the liquor industry and Big Pharma:
Same thing has been happening with marijuana. It's equal to booze in it's detrimental effects and is also propped up as some sort of "harmless" and "natural" drug for the masses.
It's not.
Nothing is completely harmless, but to say marijuana is as harmful as alcohol just proves you don't know what you're talking about...there are tens of thousands of people who die from alcoholism each year, and even more who suffer ailments from drinking, but where are those ailing from using marijuana? Millions of people smoke it, and yet we don't see people dying, or even showing any ill-effects from its use. Why is that?
I know plenty about the detrimental effects of pot use.
No ill effects from smoking weed? Ignorance and lack of information on your part. Marijuana can and has ruined many lives. No, it's not in exactly the same way as booze CAN...but it's certainly a dangerous drug. Just as deadly yet in many different ways. If you choose to be blind to those ways and think weed is this "safe" alternative to booze....have at it. Your mental and/or physical health is of no concern to me.
You people who still base your opinions on marijuana from antiquated and inaccurate information from the 19th century crack me up!
Originally Posted By: UberArchetype
Originally Posted By: grampi
Nothing is completely harmless, but to say marijuana is as harmful as alcohol just proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Exactly where did I say that? Apart from in your imagination?
I never replied to you...my reply was to andrewg...
Originally Posted By: grampi
Nothing is completely harmless, but to say marijuana is as harmful as alcohol just proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Exactly where did I say that? Apart from in your imagination?
I never replied to you...my reply was to andrewg...
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