Airline Security
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I used to do that to myself as a passenger. How else was I going to pass the time during a 14 hour flight? Then the airlines stopped serving sufficient quantities of alcohol because of those incidents with unhappy drunks.
May as well not worry...what's gonna happen is gonna happen, and once you strap yourself in, you're no longer in control.
I travel occasionally.
The TSA is the biggest government JOKE there is.
They will NEVER catch anything, it will be another agency or organization.
The TSA is the biggest government JOKE there is.
They will NEVER catch anything, it will be another agency or organization.
Simple:
No more carry-ons ("watch it, there's toothpaste in there"), just a 5" blade carbon-steel knife with hilt to all passengers. Plus armed pilots and reinforced doors.
Some planes WILL get blown up. Shoot, we tolerate killing tens of thousands on the roads every year, so where is the problem?
Is it a war, or not?
The whole thing is stupid. We're ruining public/private transport with this.
The air system isn't threatened until someone can hack and shut off air traffic control; or, worse, screw with the fly-by-wire control system of airliners. Then we have a problem as successive governments have allowed airliner construction to devolve to but two companies. There is no alternative to BOEING or AIRBUS. More competition might well alleviate that foreseeable problem with innovative solutions. The history of earlier aviation is replete with such, peace time and war time.
As to 500-700 mile trips:
Affordable private aviation has been allowed to wither on the vine the past quarter century. Fractional ownership of small planes would be an excellent tool for business travelers.
High speed rail would also make more sense in many areas.
Calling out the National Guard. Someone ought to be turned out of office.
No more carry-ons ("watch it, there's toothpaste in there"), just a 5" blade carbon-steel knife with hilt to all passengers. Plus armed pilots and reinforced doors.
Some planes WILL get blown up. Shoot, we tolerate killing tens of thousands on the roads every year, so where is the problem?
Is it a war, or not?
The whole thing is stupid. We're ruining public/private transport with this.
The air system isn't threatened until someone can hack and shut off air traffic control; or, worse, screw with the fly-by-wire control system of airliners. Then we have a problem as successive governments have allowed airliner construction to devolve to but two companies. There is no alternative to BOEING or AIRBUS. More competition might well alleviate that foreseeable problem with innovative solutions. The history of earlier aviation is replete with such, peace time and war time.
As to 500-700 mile trips:
Affordable private aviation has been allowed to wither on the vine the past quarter century. Fractional ownership of small planes would be an excellent tool for business travelers.
High speed rail would also make more sense in many areas.
Calling out the National Guard. Someone ought to be turned out of office.
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Hmmm ...bondage flights 14 hours would be rough without depends.
no water, no lotion, no toothpaste, no hair gel, next? no individuality.
the scariest part? people are quoted as saying "it's worth it to be safe", and "if it takes a couple hours more it's worth it", "better safe than sorry"
no one stepped up to the plate to say
"if it's not this flight, it will be another, lets board already"
the truth gets lost in the shuffle sometimes, but thats the truth
if you're always looking over your shoulder you will get stabbed in the chest....
I worry about nothing, if you do then you don't live your own life.
the scariest part? people are quoted as saying "it's worth it to be safe", and "if it takes a couple hours more it's worth it", "better safe than sorry"
no one stepped up to the plate to say
"if it's not this flight, it will be another, lets board already"
the truth gets lost in the shuffle sometimes, but thats the truth
if you're always looking over your shoulder you will get stabbed in the chest....
I worry about nothing, if you do then you don't live your own life.
First TY to the informants who did the right thing calling out the snakes. Second TY to MI5 and all involved British security services for not SNAFU'ng this investigation and arrest. Third, dare I say, thanks to the Pakistanis for whatever personal reasons also tipping the Brits off.
On security, as one Israeli diplomat told me best way to go is to mimic El Al and Mossad security protocols. PC goes out the door in time of war. Airlines and Customs SHOULD and MUST question people. El Al can and will refund your ticket if your answers are less than convincing. There is nothing lucky about the fact David Ben Gurion has not been hit. They multi tiered security starting as soon as one enters the airport zone and progressing to the gate tentacles.
However, reaction to these Paki would bombers is already harmful. If we ban all liquids imagine what it will do to the already harmed airport merchants. No more duty free booze, lotions, gatorade etc. Airport merchants are already harmed by the fact non ticketed pax can no longer enter the terminal.
I for one am no security threat, in fact I was a gate agent for Delta team D/FW. Often I would sit at the terminal just watching the planes TO/Land/Taxi and pax walk by. Unfortunately due to the **** of 9/11 my freedom to this is reminiscint of a bygone era.
I am asian, go ahead search me. I do not feel my rights are intimadated per se. However,if they(FEDS)propose a body cav search for anyone middle east looking then I would suggest things have went a little to far. The threat is an Islamic one ... not mexican, not Hindu etc.
9/11 Part II was averted. Thank you England, Thank you ***.
On security, as one Israeli diplomat told me best way to go is to mimic El Al and Mossad security protocols. PC goes out the door in time of war. Airlines and Customs SHOULD and MUST question people. El Al can and will refund your ticket if your answers are less than convincing. There is nothing lucky about the fact David Ben Gurion has not been hit. They multi tiered security starting as soon as one enters the airport zone and progressing to the gate tentacles.
However, reaction to these Paki would bombers is already harmful. If we ban all liquids imagine what it will do to the already harmed airport merchants. No more duty free booze, lotions, gatorade etc. Airport merchants are already harmed by the fact non ticketed pax can no longer enter the terminal.
I for one am no security threat, in fact I was a gate agent for Delta team D/FW. Often I would sit at the terminal just watching the planes TO/Land/Taxi and pax walk by. Unfortunately due to the **** of 9/11 my freedom to this is reminiscint of a bygone era.
I am asian, go ahead search me. I do not feel my rights are intimadated per se. However,if they(FEDS)propose a body cav search for anyone middle east looking then I would suggest things have went a little to far. The threat is an Islamic one ... not mexican, not Hindu etc.
9/11 Part II was averted. Thank you England, Thank you ***.
Back in the early 80s when there were a few hijackings-for-profit of airplanes the guy next door came up with the perfect answer to solving the problem:
As passengers enter the aircraft hand out weapons; shotguns for the older folks who my shake a little and whose eyesight ain't what it used to be.
Small pistols for the little ladies. Large caliber mini-cannons for the husky guys.
Sounded like a good idea to me. Who would even think of doing anything stoopid surrounded by all that firepower.
Vote for me if I ever get around to running for the senate or whatever.
Thank you, thank you very much.
As passengers enter the aircraft hand out weapons; shotguns for the older folks who my shake a little and whose eyesight ain't what it used to be.
Small pistols for the little ladies. Large caliber mini-cannons for the husky guys.
Sounded like a good idea to me. Who would even think of doing anything stoopid surrounded by all that firepower.
Vote for me if I ever get around to running for the senate or whatever.
Thank you, thank you very much.
I don't want to be on a plane packed with heat-packing , trigger-happy people. Doesn't take too many bullets going through the fuselage to cause problems.
The key to minimizing terrorism in the long term is not to capture/kill it's most visible spokesman, satisfying as that may be. The key is to intimately understand the appeal of their message and to nullify that appeal.
The idea that Muslim extremist hate the US because we love freedom is silly. If you want a clue, go back and look at the last fifty plus years of our foreign policy as it relates to the Middle East. Therein lies the root of the problem and it's only viable solution....
It's not a liberal vs coservative thing - its a common sense thing.
The idea that Muslim extremist hate the US because we love freedom is silly. If you want a clue, go back and look at the last fifty plus years of our foreign policy as it relates to the Middle East. Therein lies the root of the problem and it's only viable solution....
It's not a liberal vs coservative thing - its a common sense thing.
I agree with you except for the common sense part.
Calling a conclusion one might arrive at by knowledge of the past 50-60 years and some critical thinking common sense is in itself not common sense
You would think that after five years, we would be able to feel safer and not have to worry about those dangerous Aquafina bottles you can't carry onto a plane.
I was listening to the radio yesterday stunned at the domestic situation in Australia.
QANTAS have been reducing staff numbers recently, and have installed self service boarding passes. You walk up, type your name, it lists your flight, you click OK, and you get your pass. No ID check, either when booking, gaining the boarding pass, or boarding.
The journo was appalled, so when he made it back to Sydney, made up a common sounding name, and typed it in the terminal. He got the name wrong, so the machine offered him three variants to choose from who were flying that day.
He picked one, printed his boarding pass, and walked out.
QANTAS have been reducing staff numbers recently, and have installed self service boarding passes. You walk up, type your name, it lists your flight, you click OK, and you get your pass. No ID check, either when booking, gaining the boarding pass, or boarding.
The journo was appalled, so when he made it back to Sydney, made up a common sounding name, and typed it in the terminal. He got the name wrong, so the machine offered him three variants to choose from who were flying that day.
He picked one, printed his boarding pass, and walked out.
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Is Yahoo Serious running airport safety?
*scraps plans for trip to OZ and gives already purchased ticket to future MIL*
*scraps plans for trip to OZ and gives already purchased ticket to future MIL*
I am just concerned that what I see as overreaction to these incidents will someday bankrupt us...could OBL be using President Reagan's tactic against the SU against us (in different form)? E.g., Every few years, once the airlines start to get back on their feet, stage an incident (real or imagined) and here we go again...(now expand that beyond just the airlines)...it is time we get past the thinking, "Shucks we can pull out all the stops whether or not it makes sense because we will pull through this like we ALWAYS do...I mean we are the US OF A for pity sakes..." Anyone familiar with the term, "hubris?"
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Shannow, you're the next best thing to Canadians ..everyone likes Canadians
. Why would you worry about "issues" (cue dramatic event music
)??
I agree with both of you. Unfortunately, we will all soon be called Un-American or socialists or something similar.quote:
Originally posted by XS650:
I agree with you except for the common sense part.
Calling a conclusion one might arrive at by knowledge of the past 50-60 years and some critical thinking common sense is in itself not common sense
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