Air disasters we remember (also for Astro14)

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Good evening folks. For all BITOG members and Astro14 let’s discuss some air disasters we remember. I was too young to recall Air Florida 90 but recall TWA flight 800


Which ones do you folks remember?
 
Being from Western PA, how can you not remember USAir Flight 427? Same thing happened to United 585 over Colorado Springs, it was a rudder control issue on the 737.
 
The first one that I remember hearing about that happened in my lifetime was UPS1354. Somewhere on one of my old phones I have a picture of that exact plane N155UP at my airport. And not sure if it counts as a disaster but I remember hearing about Malaysia Airlines 370. There have been many others but those are the first two I remember hearing about on the news.
 
Three come to mind from many years ago.. United 232 in Sioux City Iowa , American Airlines 191 in Chicago , and TWA 800. Flights 232 and 191 involved DC10's which is interesting.
 
I remember many of them, but heard the most about them watching the air disasters show.
At the time they happened back in the day work and jobs got in the way for hearing any details about them.
The Alaska jack screw and the DC-10 or what ever it was losing all the flight control hydraulics stick in the mind the most.
The one thing about some of them is when the pilots do something and then lose control and don't undo what they just did that caused the issue. Like the small plane that had a far aft loading and as soon as she the pilot pulled up the gear, then it stalls. Because the nose gear I think folded to the rear so that aggravated the problem. All of them are just horrible and so sad. The best one is I think a new 777 that ran out of fuel and landed on an old military field that people where picnicking and drag racing at, the pilot flew it like a glider and I think slipped it in, sure don't hear much about jet liners doing slips.
 
Disaster averted - The TACA flight landing on the levee in New Orleans due to both engines flaming out as they passed through a hailstorm. The pilot was an avid glider pilot and used those skills to safely land.

Way too many general aviation accidents due to pilot's overconfidence in their abilities as well as get-there-itis.
 
Air Florida flight 90. Was too young at the time to understand it but remember seeing a survivor pulled out of the icy river from a helicopter in the news.
 
Good evening folks. For all BITOG members and Astro14 let’s discuss some air disasters we remember. I was too young to recall Air Florida 90 but recall TWA flight 800


Which ones do you folks remember?
Valujet when they crashed into the Florida Everglades.
 
I grew up right next to a general aviation airport (now long gone and developed) and we had planes falling out of the sky left and right when I was a kid. I can remember six off the top of my head. One in my friends yard, one in the woods right behind my house, and one I heard as it crashed by my school a couple miles from the airport. That one made national news. In my early 20's I was working at an office near the northern edge of the runway and we had one go down right by our service entrance. Plane crashes are horrific enough, but thats the day I learned you dont want to be one of the first people on site after it happens. The pilot was the only person on board, and it was a scene right out of a horror movie.

As far as commercial airlines, Aloha 243 comes to my mind the most because a few days after it happened, my girlfriend (now wife) and I were landing in Maui, and the 737 was sitting just off the runway with the blown-out top of the fuselage under a tarp. Not a good first sight to see on landing but I was able to reach into my carry-on bag and snap a picture as we taxied past it.

Hawaiian.webp
 
I remember all of those mentioned. Starting, really, with Tenerife. I was about 14 at the time, and that was the first one that I read about in detail.

As an aviation enthusiast, as well as a professional in the field, I have read every single mishap report and investigation of every airliner crash since Tenerife.

There are a great number of lessons to be learned.

Of particular interest to me, are Air France 447, and Prime Air 3591. Both are the result of pilot error in otherwise sound aircraft. The instrumentation error in the case of Air France was minor, and the crash was the result of startle response. Amygdala Hijack. Prime Air was a perfectly good jet, flown into the ground by a pilot who startled when the TOGA switch was activated.

I’ve had a complete airspeed failure, worse than what AF 447 experienced. It went right to zero. At night. In IMC. I asked my RIO, “Hey, Ferris, what do you show for airspeed?” “Zero” he said. “That can’t be right” I said.

I kept the pitch and power the same as we talked about it. INS showed good ground speed. No buffet or indication of stall. We flew back into VMC, and slowly, the airspeed returned as the ice in the pitot-static probes melted.

Problem solved.

But for Air France and Prime Air - who had less of a malfunction than we did on that night - the pilot response was instinctive, panicked, and utterly disastrous.

When your amygdala senses an existential threat - and the adrenaline dump happens - you lose the ability for analysis and higher thinking, for at least 30 seconds. That response is what interests me as an instructor and evaluator (examiner). We train to reduce that startle response. Managing the emergency is more about thinking and analysis than stick and rudder.
 
Air Florida was the first one I remember, I was 12 at the time. ASA flight 529 hit closest to home, as I was an ASA flight attendant at the time. Robin came to Dallas to speak at our next recurrent training... Not a dry eye in the room. I loved flying on the Brasilia but I never felt the same about it after that horrible day.
 
After work I'd often exit the BMT subway at 59th St., an express stop, and walk the 20 blocks to my home. I stopped in a bodega and found the store eerily quiet. Everyone was listening to a scratchy radio. The counterman told me a big plane went down in Washington.

Years later, I was working in Washington and was driving to my apartment in "Arlandria" over the 14th St. Bridge. I was aside the patch job done to the concrete railings. I turned my head 180* and saw a plane taking off right in line with me....also eerie.
 
Elementary school age at the time, and living close to Wichita, the 1970 crash that killed a fair amount of the football team. Not a good idea to use a old chartered airplane as a sight seeing vehicle.
 
Flight 427 because of living in western Pa. and the images of complete destruction of the aircraft, Flight 232 and the movie through the fence of the fireball tumbling along and the impossibility that almost 200 people survived, and Flight 93 again living in western Pa. Got a phone call that morning from a friend who lived not far from the crash site who was convinced the US was under attack. He called before it made the news.

Flight 232

 
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